Announcements
New Discussions
Best spinnaker halyard line material?
by '81 Hobie 16 Lac Leman. 03/31/24 10:31 AM
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Hop To
Hobie 14 changes to boat in last 10 years #154481
09/09/08 07:25 AM
09/09/08 07:25 AM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 50
Severna Park, MD
David_Nolte Offline OP
journeyman
David_Nolte  Offline OP
journeyman

Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 50
Severna Park, MD
I've been out of racing for about 12 years (kids!) and am thinking about getting back in. I understand there have been some real changes/modifications to the 14 in that time. What are those changes, and how important are they?


David Nolte
H16, H14, Nacra 5.0
-- Have You Seen This? --
Re: Hobie 14 changes to boat in last 10 years [Re: David_Nolte] #154482
09/09/08 12:17 PM
09/09/08 12:17 PM
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,252
California
mmiller Offline
veteran
mmiller  Offline
veteran

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,252
California
Biggest change is... we havn't built the 14 in about 10 years or so.


Hobie Cat Forums
Matt Miller
Hobie Cat Company
Re: Hobie 14 changes to boat in last 10 years [Re: mmiller] #154483
09/09/08 02:30 PM
09/09/08 02:30 PM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 50
Severna Park, MD
David_Nolte Offline OP
journeyman
David_Nolte  Offline OP
journeyman

Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 50
Severna Park, MD
Thanks for your reply on the 16 Matt. I had heard of a couple of those things. I'll be at my local dealer soon and look at a new boat to see those things up close & personal. Regarding the 14, I'm actually more interested in those changes. I know they haven't made any new boats in the last decade (I have an 83), but I have heard that there may be some significant modifications in recent years that racers are doing to the boats and I want to understand them. I believe they may include mast rotation and mast rake - somehow letting the mast rake radically forward on downwind legs? Thanks.


David Nolte
H16, H14, Nacra 5.0
Re: Hobie 14 changes to boat in last 10 years [Re: David_Nolte] #154484
09/09/08 03:25 PM
09/09/08 03:25 PM
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,187
38.912, -95.37
_flatlander_ Offline
old hand
_flatlander_  Offline
old hand

Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,187
38.912, -95.37
Folks have been adding the TheMightyHobie18 rotator arm, easier to grab the arm than putting your foot on the boom.

Add a line from your bridle/forestay intersection to a cleat on the front beam. Pull up the rig slack when you round the weather mark (mast rake forward) and don't forget to release before you head back up wind.


John H16, H14
Re: Hobie 14 changes to boat in last 10 years [Re: _flatlander_] #154485
09/09/08 08:08 PM
09/09/08 08:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 50
Severna Park, MD
David_Nolte Offline OP
journeyman
David_Nolte  Offline OP
journeyman

Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 50
Severna Park, MD
Thanks John, great info. That makes sense with a pic I saw recently where there was a block on the front crossbar with a line through it attached to the forestay adjuster. Interestingly, there were 2 forestay adjusters, are people sailing these days with that much rake? There was also quite a bit of line wrapped around the mast base and front crossbar - is the rig so loose that you need that kind of connective reinforcement? And finally, why put your foot on the boom, to rotate the mast max for downwind legs? Thanks for any info.


David Nolte
H16, H14, Nacra 5.0
Re: Hobie 14 changes to boat in last 10 years [Re: David_Nolte] #154486
09/10/08 08:45 AM
09/10/08 08:45 AM
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,187
38.912, -95.37
_flatlander_ Offline
old hand
_flatlander_  Offline
old hand

Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,187
38.912, -95.37
We put two 7-hole adjusters on my son's 14 and that wasn't enough!! But we were also limited by longer (read older) shrouds and had them in the bottom hole. A new set of standing rigging will get you on your way, but do you have low-profile blocks? Lots of rake, like the H16, is the way to go.

All that "extra" line is typically the remainder of the main halyard, cleated off and then looped around the crossbar to main cleat.

Foot on the boom to keep the sail out as far as possible. Sail the 14 damn near DDW (dead down wind), sailing a higher course and gybing (ala Hobie 16) is not the fastest way from the windward to leeward mark.


John H16, H14
Re: Hobie 14 changes to boat in last 10 years [Re: _flatlander_] #154487
09/11/08 08:51 AM
09/11/08 08:51 AM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 50
Severna Park, MD
David_Nolte Offline OP
journeyman
David_Nolte  Offline OP
journeyman

Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 50
Severna Park, MD
Once again, thanks, great info. Do you know how long your shrouds are? I actually just got new ones a couple weeks ago. When I put them on I ended up using one forestay adjuster and actually brought the forestay down to the 3rd hole from the bottom - I needed to straighten the mast that much to clear the step link. I'm guessing that maybe I should remove the step link when not stepping, and rake back as far as I can. I wonder, is it possible that my mast base is further forward than newer boats (mine is a 1983)? I seem to remember that on the 16s they rotated the mast base back a bit years ago when it became known that more rake was better on the boats. (Matt?) It's interesting that you talk about low profile blocks, I'm obviously not anywhere near that with my current setup, when I went out last weekend I couldn't believe how much space there was between the boom and traveler - and I'm using the original high profile blocks. Thanks for any info. Flatlander - it sounds like you're at the Nationals right now. Enjoy!


David Nolte
H16, H14, Nacra 5.0
Re: Hobie 14 changes to boat in last 10 years [Re: David_Nolte] #154488
09/11/08 10:06 AM
09/11/08 10:06 AM
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,187
38.912, -95.37
_flatlander_ Offline
old hand
_flatlander_  Offline
old hand

Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,187
38.912, -95.37
MBounds is still at NAC's (we were there for 14's only) so here goes with what (little) I know.

Quote
Do you know how long your shrouds are?
No , but suspect they're same length as your originals. Please compare your new length with your '83 length.
Quote
I'm guessing that maybe I should remove the step link when not stepping, and rake back as far as I can.
agreed
Quote
I wonder, is it possible that my mast base is further forward than newer boats (mine is a 1983)?
Possible, but not sure. There was a '94 at NAC's but I didn't notice/check if the position was further aft (drat). IIRC, MBounds has a new mast step base, and again IIRC, the newer base is made slightly different to position it further aft on the beam.

It's raining in Clear Lake today, with t'storms forecast, maybe Matt (or MMiller) will hop online and help us through this.

hijack on// I have a fresh ('79 w/nice black anodize) non striker beam and all new dolphin post, rod and undrilled mast step. My question is the geometry of all this. Do I position the rear of the step with the rear of the beam and drill through the center of the step? Or does the striker rod need to be closer to vertical, requiring drilling through the widest part of the beams minor axis, and consequently farther forward in the step? hijack off//


John H16, H14
Re: Hobie 14 changes to boat in last 10 years [Re: _flatlander_] #154489
09/16/08 10:21 AM
09/16/08 10:21 AM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 50
Severna Park, MD
David_Nolte Offline OP
journeyman
David_Nolte  Offline OP
journeyman

Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 50
Severna Park, MD
Thanks again John. I'll measure the shrouds & compare. Also try to rake back & see how that goes. Also get a cleat for the front crossbar and try out the forward rake downwind. Take care.


David Nolte
H16, H14, Nacra 5.0

Moderated by  Damon Linkous 

Search

Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 616 guests, and 94 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Darryl, zorro, CraigJ, PaulEddo2, AUS180
8150 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics22,405
Posts267,056
Members8,150
Most Online2,167
Dec 19th, 2022
--Advertisement--
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1