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#107556 - 05/23/07 12:58 PM Re: Voting on proposed rule amendments for 2008 [Re: Stewart]
scooby_simon Offline

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Well may I say that is very nice Simon... Though from past experiences in this medium Im not easily convinced.. Thrice bitten and all that...


However...
The poles should be open to non web users as well as web users.. If we wish to have a legit entity...




Your decision.

I have now also created another forum when persons details who register will be moved once validated. This forum is NOT indexable or seachable via the search engines and is NOT viewable by the general public.
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#107557 - 05/24/07 07:56 PM Re: Voting on proposed rule amendments for 2008 [Re: Stewart]
F16Sec Offline
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To those people who wish to vote in the ballots but do not wish to use the online voting facility:

You may vote by post. To do so simply cut and paste the following into a Word processor document:

Ballot nr 1:
In the rules it states:
1.12 The mainsail

1.12.1 The Mast & mainsail area may not be larger than 15 sq. metres.

1.12.2 The Mainsail luff length may not be longer than 8.1 metre (= 8100 mm).

Where :

Mast & mainsail area = (mainsail area + ½ * mast area)

Mainsail area = all of the mainsail surface area that is outside of the mast while sailing.

Mast area = mainsail luff length multiplied by the circumference of the mast.

Mainsail luff length is defined as : the distance measured alongside the (straight) mast from the
highest point of a normally hoisted mainsail towards the lowest point reached
when the downhaul is used.
The F16 Governing Council Proposal :


1.12 The mainsail


1.12.1 The Mast & mainsail area may not be larger than 15 sq. metres.

1.12.2 The Mainsail luff length may not be longer than 8.1 metre (= 8100 mm).


Where :

Mast & mainsail area = (mainsail area + mast area)

Mainsail area = all of the mainsail surface area that is outside of the mast while sailing, measured in accordance with ISAF measurement rules.

Mast area = mast length *maximum circumference of the mast * 0.5


Ballot nr 2:

F16 Governing Council Proposal to add:

1.6.4 For the avoidance of doubt, daggerboards/centerboards will conform to the following :

a) Curved/’Banana’ boards will not be allowed.
b) Assymetrical cross-section profile boards will be allowed.
c) Fore/aft movement of the boards when in the down position will not be allowed.
d) End fences/horizontal appendages below the waterline will not be allowed. The board shall be capable of removal, without tools, via the upper opening of the case.
e) There will be no limitation on the daggerboard/centerboard length


Ballot nr 3:

In the rules it states:
Prologue: The Formula 16 class
The Formula 16 class for high performance beach catamarans is a mildly restricted class, reserved for sport catamarans that may be sailed either doublehanded or singlehanded. The designs are of amateur or professional construction and are intended for racing on elapsed time with respect to other Formula 16 designs, as well as Formula 18 class designs.

F16 Governing Council Proposal :

Prologue: The Formula 16 class
The Formula 16 class for high performance beach catamarans is a mildly restricted class, reserved for sport catamarans that may be sailed either doublehanded or singlehanded without time adjustment. The designs are of amateur or professional construction and are intended for racing on elapsed time with respect to other Formula 16 designs.


Now add either of the comments Agree or Disagree to each of the ballots according to your view.

Now add your details: Contact information, Boat details incl Sail No

You may then mail the completed ballots to:

The F16 Governing Council
c/o Catamaranparts.nl
Voltastraat 5
2041 CK Zandvoort

to arrive no later than 25th July 2007
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#107558 - 06/04/07 02:23 AM Re: proposed rule amendments for 2008- Centerboard [Re: F16Sec]
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I have no doubt why the following was proposed:
1.6.4 For the avoidance of doubt, daggerboards/centerboards will conform to the following :

a) Curved/’Banana’ boards will not be allowed.
b) Assymetrical cross-section profile boards will be allowed.
c) Fore/aft movement of the boards when in the down position will not be allowed.
d) End fences/horizontal appendages below the waterline will not be allowed. The board shall be capable of removal, without tools, via the upper opening of the case.
e) There will be no limitation on the daggerboard/centerboard length


But I'm wondering if the requirement- "The board shall be capable of removal, without tools, via the upper opening of the case."
Might "disallow" some hinged centerboards which otherwise would be legal in every respect??

Just a thought-- Are the Mosquito/Isotope/etc. centerboards all able to be removed "without tools" via the upper opening of the case??

Kirt
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#107559 - 06/04/07 04:28 AM Re: proposed rule amendments for 2008- Centerboard [Re: CaptainKirt]
ncik Offline
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Mosquitos have daggerboards...Stingrays however have retracting centreboards like a tornado.

Can the wording be changed to allow retracting centreboards?
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#107560 - 06/04/07 05:31 AM Re: proposed rule amendments for 2008- Centerboard [Re: ncik]
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But centerboards are removable via the upper opening if designed well. Usually the pivot pin (a piece of tubing) slides down two slots in the centerboard well.

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#107561 - 06/04/07 07:24 AM Re: proposed rule amendments for 2008- Centerboard [Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
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I'm not aware of any existing cats, that would otherwise fit into the F16 box rule, that need tools to remove their pivoting centreboards - or that cannot be removed via the deck opening of the case.
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#107562 - 06/04/07 09:49 AM Re: proposed rule amendments for 2008- Centerboard [Re: Jalani]
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Hi all,

Cobras would fit in F16 rule I think, they have pivoting centreboards. No idea of if they can come out the top of case with out tools . Up to date I am not realy aware of them wanting to participate in F16 racing, but a number have spinnakers in Victoria and there is one Cobra in Europe.

So maybe the wording needs looking at to save problems in the future . That is of course if the proposers want to and it got passed.
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#107563 - 06/04/07 09:59 AM Re: proposed rule amendments for 2008- Centerboard [Re: thricebitten]
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Cobra centreboards can be removed without tools (and it's via the top of the case).
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#107564 - 06/17/07 09:34 PM Re: proposed rule amendments for 2008- Centerboard [Re: Jalani]
F16Sec Offline
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And a reminder that voting online finishes at midnight GMT on 27th June 2007
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#107565 - 06/26/07 09:58 AM Re: proposed rule amendments for 2008- Centerboard [Re: F16Sec]
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Hi all,

was about to head away from computer access with work for a few days. Then remembered had to vote before 27th.

So treat this as a reminder and don't let the rest of this post put you off. I am sure it is just me.

Is it just me or is it difficult to find your way to the place to Vote. Took me a couple of looks.

Just looking at the number of voters, I was concerned that the difficulty may keep the voting numbers low. Or is it just me .

No criticsm of Scooby's efforts in setting all this up intended. Greatly appreciate these efforts. I am sure it is difficult for people that have grown up with computers and use them every day to understand, how computer challenged some of us are .

But if I managed it, I am sure others that read this will be able.
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