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#162815 - 12/17/08 08:59 AM Re: Blade building project.. [Re: Omar]
Rolf_Nilsen Offline

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I did some quick estimations today on building time in strip:
Planking 5 hours, when done alone.
Sanding the inside and outsite 2 - 3 hours.
Glassing inside and outside 3 + 3 hours

5 + 2 (3) + 3 + 3 = 14 hours for one half hull panel. Scary stuff!

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#162821 - 12/17/08 10:50 AM Re: Blade building project.. [Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
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That sounds in the ballpark for my build.
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#162822 - 12/17/08 11:13 AM Re: Blade building project.. [Re: ncik]
Rolf_Nilsen Offline

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Add overhead in setting up the mould, ripping strips etc. and plywood begins to look good wink

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#162875 - 12/18/08 02:09 AM Re: Blade building project.. [Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
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Rolf,
Just got back from Sydney with ply and cedar to build another boat. Just for the fun and interest of building using the same method as some CLC18 kayaks I built a couple years back.
If you keep tallying up the man hours we can compare notes when we are both finish.

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#162899 - 12/18/08 07:36 AM Re: Blade building project.. [Re: phill]
Rolf_Nilsen Offline

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Will try to keep a tally on the hours. Speed and quality have improved a lot on the strip planking, but the sanding is the same old drugde. Funny thing that became very clear last night is that company dont help everytime. I planked panel #5 alone up til last night, and it is the best panel (planking wise) so far. Last night Frode and I chatted a bit while I put on a plank.. Lo and behold, a really ill fitting plank was the result! Strip planking is best done solo on small crafts like this if one wants the best results.

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#162920 - 12/18/08 02:41 PM Re: Blade building project.. [Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
phill Offline

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Rolf,
I planked a set of 32ft cat hulls myslef.
It is very relaxing work when not punching a time clock which is the way I feel when someone helps because I'm using up their time.
On the other hand the fairing was a real pain but the planking was great.
So you can probably do Ok on the bigger stuff too.
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Phill
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#163021 - 12/19/08 08:03 AM Re: Blade building project.. [Re: phill]
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I have no experience with larger boats, but that is nice to know. I think the planking might be even easier on a larger hull? I have told you about my/our dream of doing a larger boat in the future..
Anyway, I can see how some get obsessed with strip plank and begin to build hulls without staples. Fitting just one plank each night etc. It is a bit like zen and quite relaxing. But one must use it as therapy I think, not to get a boat to sail/race if that approach is to be successful. Perhaps I should have as a goal to do one boat/kayak/strip plank project every winter, to shorten the winter and as therapy. Install enough lighting and I can use the time in the workshop as "light therapy" against winter depressions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_affective_disorder

If only there were less sanding involved wink


Edited by Rolf_Nilsen (12/19/08 08:10 AM)

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#163023 - 12/19/08 08:58 AM Re: Blade building project.. [Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
phill Offline

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Rolf,
Yes it is the Zen concept that turns this into great therapy.
"Wash the dishes for the sake of washing the dishes not for the sake of getting them clean."
"Fit the plank for the sake of fitting the plank no for the sake of building a boat."

To this end, if you have the space, maybe build one large project may be better than a small project each winter.

I have got a lot better at fairing since I built the Alfresco 920 hulls. So much water has gone under the bridge in the last 15 yrs. I would love to build another cedar strip boat.

Each to his own.

Regards,
Phill


Edited by phill (12/19/08 08:59 AM)
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#163025 - 12/19/08 09:22 AM Re: Blade building project.. [Re: phill]
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I will get back to you on the "best practice" to do the fairing as painless as possible when we do the underwater hull or decides to paint our boats!

I dont have the space to do the large project just now, and I dont think the family is ready for me spending 2000 hours on a boatbuilding project over several years either. I know I will have to sell in that thoroughly so there is no hard feelings for me occupying the garage.
Will have to practice our zen a bit careful for the next few years at least. laugh

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#163066 - 12/19/08 07:21 PM Re: Blade building project.. [Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
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Hi Phill
You now use the more practical way of fairing a belt sander and for those finer points a normal palm sander,So fairing a bigger boat will be a lot easier ( i told you you get better with practice). LOL.

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