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#149988 - 10/08/08 02:19 AM Re: New Draft rule [Re: JeffS]
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Good work Jeff.

Do think it is too early to build one for my sons, they are 2 1/2 and 10 months.

The oldest own is pretty excited about sailing on the F16. 1-4 knots ans 29degrees C has been forecast for our clubs opening day this saturday, might be the perfect day for him.
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#149989 - 10/08/08 05:10 AM Re: New Draft rule [Re: simonp]
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Jeff, excellent work, nice and simple without all the wordy stuff in the original rule Wouter proposed.
Like ncik noted, allowance for the top strap of a pocket luff sail or a fully enclosed pocket, Traps I don't mind, but might be an issue with really young kids till they get the hang of it, and the hydrofoil issue can be dealt with as ncik suggested with straight blades and mounted vertically to the hull center line (this allows for canted hulls)

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#149990 - 10/08/08 06:28 AM Re: New Draft rule [Re: RetiredGeek]
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Nice work!!! For the traps I agree with ncik. For a start they should not be allowed when racing, we can add them later if they becomes something used by the kids sailing and racing with the cat.
But traps or not you have my vote.
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#149991 - 10/08/08 07:42 AM Re: New Draft rule [Re: Gato]
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Good job Jeff, I'm happy with the tweeks proposed above. I'm on the fence on traps. I started trapping at about 6 and competed in a hobie 18 nationals at 12 so I know from experiance kids can do it. However I wonder if they will scare some parents away.

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#149992 - 10/08/08 07:50 AM Re: New Draft rule [Re: ncik]
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Notes

4. Pocket luff sails will extend beyond the top of the mast, hence above the measurement band.

7. I thought trapezes (or seats) were not part of the intention of the F12. I don't think they sit well with the philosophy of the F12. Safety is also a concern for solo kids getting trapeze hooks stuck if under the tramp. I also don't believe they are necessary for performance.

17. I agree that hydrofoils should be banned. However I think a blanket statement as such is poor wording. We've seen so much debate about the definition of hydrofoils and their banning in the A-Class. I won't go into all the problems associated with it. This can be avoided with a requirement for one hull to be providing buoyancy in all typical sailing conditions, ie. one hull in the water at all times while racing.

If that is considered too tricky, an alternative requirement for "straight" blades fitted "vertically" may be appropriate.

Otherwise I would vote for the proposed rules.




Whats the correct wording regarding the pocket luffs extending past the mast band?
I'm putting a trap and jib on mine but I can take them off if the kids race in a F12 comp so I dont mind banning them in the racing rules. I personally think that kids want an exciting boat why not have a trap if they've already been using one for the last 3 years on a mono. My 8yo has a cat with a trap, are we saying that a 11yo kid that is a good sailor looking for excitement should get a different boat. The seat wasn't about performance I felt that this is an interesting platform for disadvantaged sailors, I cant imagine a seat or wing being used but why ban it.
We can addopt the one hull in the water wording.
I'll happily go along with whatever everyboady wants lets just lock in some rules .
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#149993 - 10/08/08 07:59 AM Re: New Draft rule [Re: Scarecrow]
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You posted while I was typing Scarecrow glad your back in the land of the living. As I said in the early post I'll go along with whatever everyone wants in the rules.
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#149994 - 10/08/08 10:01 AM Re: New Draft rule [Re: JeffS]
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10. The platform shall be equipped with a pair of rudders.




Would it be possible to ammend this to allow for a single central rudder, I beleive this was in previous drafts. It also sits better with rule 11 that allows "one or more daggerboards or centerboards."

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#149995 - 10/08/08 10:14 AM Re: New Draft rule [Re: grob]
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I nearly put in the wording a maximum of 2 rudders and I think its a great idea
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#149996 - 10/08/08 11:16 PM Re: New Draft rule [Re: JeffS]
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Its been pointed out to me that we need to list the F12 designs that can vote on the rules as the way its written anybody with an established cat smaller than the F12 max dimensions can vote so the dedicated F12 designs would have no say. Can we please have a current list of builders and designs and can anybody put together the correct words that includes the ability to add new designs as they come along
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#149997 - 10/08/08 11:20 PM Re: New Draft rule [Re: JeffS]
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Rewording for Rule 4

4. Mast construction and rigging shall be un-restricted.
A contrasting measurement band shall be located on the mast no higher than 6metres above the top of the front beam. At no time shall any part of the main sail with the exception of a halyard lock, shackle or pocket luff sail cap be located above this measurement band.

Some sketches of each of these conditions may be appropriate.

Thinking about it some more, for junior boats I really like the idea of being able to drop the sails with the boat and mast upright for safety reasons. Should shackled or pocket luff sails be allowed with this consideration. Having sailed a pocket luffed moth and knowing how difficult it is to be rescued with the mast still up, I am very tempted to have a clause to cover this.
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