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#150008 - 10/09/08 09:36 AM Re: New Draft rule [Re: RetiredGeek]
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So, pocket luff ok on unstayed rigs.
Shall we have traps from the start or later, I have the feeling they will come soner or later anyway.
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#150009 - 10/09/08 11:26 AM Re: New Draft rule [Re: Gato]
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I have no problem with traps for the older kids or for the crew in 2-up mode. Although it practically rules out unstayed masts.
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#150010 - 10/09/08 12:47 PM Re: New Draft rule [Re: ncik]
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The traps will not make this cat any faster . It can be sailed in almost all conditions without them even by a child of 35kg with the 7m2 sail.
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#150011 - 10/09/08 04:29 PM Re: New Draft rule [Re: Gato]
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The traps will not make this cat any faster . It can be sailed in almost all conditions without them even by a child of 35kg with the 7m2 sail.




This is good to know.

Note that if the F12 racing rules exclude the trapeze, it does not mean that one can't be fitted on some boats for fun or club racing (for instance). We have our own special local rules here for club racing. This also covers a jib, kite, hydrofoils and any other innovation.

I just think it is prudent to keep the INITIAL F12 configuration as simple and cheap as possible.

Home builders will certainly try modifications of all types. If a given modification becomes popular, the class can certainly add it to the class rules later.

By the way: I will probably install a trapeze, kite and hydrofoils on my daughter's boat just for fun...

Still, for the class I consider more prudent to adopt the simplest and cheapest configuration possible to foster growth.

When my daughter decides to compete, all she has to do is revert to the basic configuration. No big deal.

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#150012 - 10/09/08 06:06 PM Re: New Draft rule [Re: Luiz]
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I agree with Luiz. We can always make a F12HP for the older kids (dads) later.
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#150013 - 10/09/08 11:26 PM Re: New Draft rule [Re: Gato]
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I agree.
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#150014 - 10/10/08 02:06 AM Re: New Draft rule [Re: ncik]
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#150015 - 10/10/08 05:38 AM Re: New Draft rule [Re: Scarecrow]
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LOL....already designed mine, will post some pics later
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#150016 - 10/10/08 07:43 AM Re: New Draft rule [Re: RetiredGeek]
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It would maybe be good to keep those pics as a teaser and only show them when we have finished the draft for the rules...
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#150017 - 10/10/08 08:17 AM Re: New Draft rule [Re: RetiredGeek]
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I was going to keep my trap shut until I actually got mine at least to the hull built stage. But I'm with RG and some others on this.

One of the main attractions to this class is that it has to be heaps of fun. In my own opinion, to exclude the traps, would be taking away a fair chunk of fun.

I realise its been said that they could possibly be added later, but do you really want to stuff around with it later? If your design includes them, have them, if it doesn't, don't. Banning them or restricting them at this stage, when designers or builders have already committed to their design, I think its too late for such a rule.

The ship has sailed, so to speak.
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