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#151803 - 08/07/08 06:01 AM sshhh
ncik old hand Registered: 10/18/05 Posts: 951 Loc: Brisbane, Queensland, Australi...	... Attachments 154241-FramedHull.JPG (641 downloads)
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#151804 - 08/07/08 06:10 AM Re: sshhh [Re: ncik]
RetiredGeek enthusiast Registered: 09/03/07 Posts: 255 Loc: NZ	is that really as fat as it looks or is it just the perspective that makes it look that way ?
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#151805 - 08/07/08 07:02 AM Re: sshhh [Re: RetiredGeek]
ncik old hand Registered: 10/18/05 Posts: 951 Loc: Brisbane, Queensland, Australi...	It is wider than the first iteration, but still wouldn't consider it fat. Designed for 120kg displacement. _________________________ 1727 Gero http://ncik-gero.blogspot.com/
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#151806 - 08/07/08 11:57 AM Re: sshhh [Re: ncik]
Gato addict Registered: 11/06/06 Posts: 432 Loc: Finland	RG, The parents are almost more interested than the kids in sailind the F12:s so a little bit wolume is not so bad... _________________________ http://www.gust.ax
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#151807 - 08/07/08 01:56 PM Re: sshhh [Re: Gato]
_flatlander_ old hand Registered: 09/23/05 Posts: 1184 Loc: 38.912, -95.37	Quote: RG, The parents are almost more interested than the kids in sailind the F12:s so a little bit wolume is not so bad... and at 120, or even 125kg design displacement, doesn't this makes the F12 more marketable? May be sold also as an adult trainer or appealing for Mom/Dad to sneak a ride on when the kids aren't around. _________________________ John H16, H14
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#151808 - 08/07/08 02:32 PM Re: sshhh [Re: _flatlander_]
Wouter Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/16/01 Posts: 9582 Loc: North-West Europe	Quote: and at 120, or even 125kg design displacement, doesn't this makes the F12 more marketable? May be sold also as an adult trainer or appealing for Mom/Dad to sneak a ride on when the kids aren't around. Didn't we realize this from the beginning ? That we would have to design these boats to take also an adult and small kid (up to ten years old) or two kids simulatiniously; ergo at least 100 kg crew carrying ability for the F12 ! Combined with min boat weight this makes a minimal displacement of 150 kg ? It is always better to sail a volumious boat light then sail a light displacement boat heavy. Scarecrow, for what range of displacement is your DS12 designed ? Wouter Edited by Wouter (08/07/08 02:33 PM) _________________________ Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
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#151809 - 08/07/08 03:03 PM Re: sshhh [Re: Wouter]
_flatlander_ old hand Registered: 09/23/05 Posts: 1184 Loc: 38.912, -95.37	Quote: Didn't we realize this from the beginning ? Yes we did, but that seems like a long time ago now, and I wanted to take the opportunity to reiterate. The latest designs seem, to me, more like scaled down A's and, at least by appearance, seem to have lost any bouyancy (compared to early conceptual drawings) but obviously I'm no designer. I won the set of DS-12 plans (thanks again!) but have been reluctant to proceed with a build as yet due to my "perception" of a limited upper range of weight carrying capacity. Is was awaiting more reviews, so Wouter thanks for asking the question. Quote: It is always better to sail a volumious boat light then sail a light displacement boat heavy. here, here _________________________ John H16, H14
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#151810 - 08/07/08 04:34 PM Re: sshhh [Re: _flatlander_]
Gato addict Registered: 11/06/06 Posts: 432 Loc: Finland	I still think that we should design with the kids in mind, so a crew weight between 40 and 60kgs. If there is room for an easy boat for the adults, I think it should be wise to go up to 14 feet and design with the same idea cheap, light and simple. For me it's those three things that makes the F12 interesting. Btw. I'm starting to build the sshhh tomorow... flathlander18, don't be a coward go ahead and build the DS12 it's a great boat and you don't risk a lot of money and we need boats out on the beaches Edited by Gato (08/07/08 04:37 PM) _________________________ http://www.gust.ax
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#151811 - 08/07/08 08:18 PM Re: sshhh [Re: ncik]
RetiredGeek enthusiast Registered: 09/03/07 Posts: 255 Loc: NZ	Quote: It is wider than the first iteration, but still wouldn't consider it fat. Designed for 120kg displacement. thats less than I imagined, must be the perspective. The Vudu's DWL is set at 100 kg, but even at 150 kg it sits in less than 40mm.
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#151812 - 08/07/08 09:28 PM Re: sshhh [Re: RetiredGeek]
Wouter Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/16/01 Posts: 9582 Loc: North-West Europe	Quote: The Vudu's DWL is set at 100 kg, but even at 150 kg it sits in less than 40mm. Total weight or just crew weight ? Wouter _________________________ Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
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