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#227759 - 01/29/11 05:58 PM Re: Socialism’s State of the Union ** [Re: pgp]
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Originally Posted By: pgp
Google REMIC. This was the last and worst of Reagan's "trickle down" bs. It has all but destroyed local banking. The "fractionalized" borrowing system the mega banks enjoy should be curtailed radically.


I think you're a little off base saying this ruined the community bank. There have always been a great deal of these banks that have chose to stay local and many have prospered since the 80s.

If banks want to enjoy the protection of the FDIC they have a few hoops to jump through and to be frank I don't think there are many people that would save at that bank if they weren't FDIC insured. With that security comes other by-products similar to how the federal government puts stipulations on who ever they give money to. Want federal highway money, then you must...... the list goes on.

Please stop pointing the finger and saying look it is their fault because.... there is enough culpability from both teams. I you would like I'll get my wife to chime in, with her degree in economics and 20 plus years in the banking industry at least you'll hear it straight, not some blogger's slanted opinion piece.



Edited by erikcole (01/29/11 06:00 PM)

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#227760 - 01/29/11 06:13 PM Re: Socialism’s State of the Union [Re: erikcole]
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I'd love to hear from her! I'll even be courteous if she chooses to chime in. But I don't think economics is going to provide us with many answers. Economics is a social science and goes a long way in describing trends but it offers very few absolutes. I would guess that if it was a hard science we'd be calling it "Econology".

In any case, I'd like very much to hear how sending mortgage payments far away BEST benefits my local economy.

You've been civil so I'm sorry if this disturbs you: I'll keep pointing fingers as long as I perceive the problem to be primarily the fault of mega banks.

On the outside chance a meaningful conversation can issue from this thread, I'd recommend the following brief history as a set of talking points.

http://www.progressivehistorians.com/2007/11/bill-clintons-role-in-mortgage-crisis.html



Edited by pgp (01/29/11 06:37 PM)
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#227765 - 01/29/11 10:13 PM Re: Drill, Baby, Drill part deux [Re: bullswan]
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#227767 - 01/29/11 11:34 PM Re: Drill, Baby, Drill part deux [Re: pgp]
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Oh Crap....
Isn't there a separate thread for Pete's mortgage/bank drivel?

Hey! How about that NHL All Star Game! Drafting the teams is a new concept. I wonder if the other teams will follow suit.
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#227770 - 01/29/11 11:40 PM Re: Drill, Baby, Drill part deux [Re: bullswan]
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#227771 - 01/29/11 11:48 PM Re: Drill, Baby, Drill part deux [Re: pgp]
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Originally Posted By: pgp
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/30/business/30gret.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

"You cannot make this stuff up."


Good read Pete.
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#227772 - 01/30/11 12:02 AM Re: Drill, Baby, Drill part deux [Re: hobie1616]
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The scarey thing is none of the mega banks are pulling back, trying to be more responsible. They really, really believe they are too big to fail.

I don't know if they're like the "White hunters" in one of those old, bad Tarzan movies i.e. trying to bluff their way through a tribe of angry natives or if they're "all in" in a game of really high stakes Texas Hold 'em!

But, I'm beginning to believe TARP was for naught and we're in worse shape now than we were in '08.

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#227777 - 01/30/11 01:10 AM Re: Drill, Baby, Drill part deux [Re: pgp]
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#227778 - 01/30/11 01:57 AM Re: Socialism’s State of the Union [Re: Buccaneer]
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Originally Posted By: Buccaneer
Socialism’s State of the Union

Socialism - the abolishment of private property - sometimes advances at the point of a gun. At other times, it advances by co-opting the language of freedom.

In his State of the Union speech on Tuesday, President Obama paid homage to the free market and families while driving home his central point that government knows best.

He began and ended with stories of individuals doing great things. He even said families are important and called for a five-year freeze on domestic spending. In between, he promoted more spending under the guise of “investment,” boasted of government takeovers of health care and student loans, blamed George W. Bush for the economic mess (“a legacy of deficit spending that began almost a decade ago”), took nasty shots at the oil and health insurance industries, and engaged in class warfare:

“Before we take money away from our schools or scholarships away from our students, we should ask millionaires to give up their tax break. It’s not a matter of punishing their success. It’s about promoting America’s success.”

Tough cheese, Mr. Obama says. “It is time to leave behind the divisive battles of the past. It is time to move forward as one nation.” This is socialist talk for “Resistance is futile. America’s plunge into depravity and moral confusion cannot be reversed. We won’t let it.”

A free society with free people and free markets runs on incentives. Socialism always depends on coercion.

more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/28/socialisms-state-of-the-union/


Thank you for posting this and the link.

Word!

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#227780 - 01/30/11 01:59 AM Re: Socialism’s State of the Union [Re: erikcole]
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Originally Posted By: erikcole
Originally Posted By: pgp
Google REMIC. This was the last and worst of Reagan's "trickle down" bs. It has all but destroyed local banking. The "fractionalized" borrowing system the mega banks enjoy should be curtailed radically.


I think you're a little off base saying this ruined the community bank. There have always been a great deal of these banks that have chose to stay local and many have prospered since the 80s.

If banks want to enjoy the protection of the FDIC they have a few hoops to jump through and to be frank I don't think there are many people that would save at that bank if they weren't FDIC insured. With that security comes other by-products similar to how the federal government puts stipulations on who ever they give money to. Want federal highway money, then you must...... the list goes on.

Please stop pointing the finger and saying look it is their fault because.... there is enough culpability from both teams. I you would like I'll get my wife to chime in, with her degree in economics and 20 plus years in the banking industry at least you'll hear it straight, not some blogger's slanted opinion piece.



Erik, thanks for chinimg in.

Maybe you can 'reorient' him.
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