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#221381 - 10/10/10 07:26 PM Re: Why Nacra can and should compete [Re: pgp]
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BE intresting to see wheter Nacra go down the route of minimum weight or heaveier and more in line with the Viper to get a bit of better handicap aswell

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#221385 - 10/11/10 12:44 AM Re: Why Nacra can and should compete [Re: NacraKid]
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I'm eagerly awaiting the fist regatta where I'll be seriously beaten by Macca himself on a F16 smile
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#221387 - 10/11/10 01:19 AM Re: Why Nacra can and should compete [Re: PTP]
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Originally Posted By: PTP
It will be great for the class although I think it will maybe start 'out dating' some boats?


I hope it outdates everything out there. I hope it sets a new standard by raising the bar. I hope it pushes Falcon Marine, and AHPC to pump out a better boats.

Originally Posted By: PTP
I only say it because it seems like there has been a lot of turnover in the f18 class.


Not really, the Tiger ran for a looooong time. Capricorn was around 4-5years? Infusion has been around quite a while as well. The nice thing with new boats is somebody always has to have the latest and greatest, (with only a marginal performance gain), and it puts used boats on the market, making them more affordable to people.
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#221388 - 10/11/10 01:33 AM Re: Why Nacra can and should compete [Re: pepin]
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smile "fist" regatta. I don't think it will come to that.
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#221392 - 10/11/10 02:18 AM Re: Why Nacra can and should compete [Re: Karl_Brogger]
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Originally Posted By: Karl_Brogger


I hope it outdates everything out there. I hope it sets a new standard by raising the bar. I hope it pushes Falcon Marine, and AHPC to pump out a better boats.



I don't know about that. Nacra isn't going to produce a product significantly better than Falcon Marine at the same cost and same weight. Not going to happen. I think Matt makes great boats and I would take his Falcon over a Viper or the Nacra boat (although it is hard to say... I would go with a Falcon over the Nacra if the Nacra weighs in well over the minimum). Vectorworks/Falcon Marine customer service is a lot better than Nacra's IMO. Don't have much experience personally with AHPC.
On a different level... I would not wish badness on the people who actually had the balls to start producing the boats that invented the F16 class. It is only due to Matt/Vectorworks/Falcon that this class actually exists in the US.


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#221393 - 10/11/10 02:42 AM Re: Why Nacra can and should compete [Re: PTP]
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no ill will wished dude! I'm not saying either boat is poor, but you, Matt, or Greg can't say there isn't room for improvement.

I just want the F16 to be all that it can be and competition amongst the builders is a good way to spur development. That's the nature of just about any business, keep up with the competition or get left behind.
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#221396 - 10/11/10 03:04 AM Re: Why Nacra can and should compete [Re: Karl_Brogger]
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Originally Posted By: Karl_Brogger
no ill will wished dude! I'm not saying either boat is poor, but you, Matt, or Greg can't say there isn't room for improvement.

I just want the F16 to be all that it can be and competition amongst the builders is a good way to spur development. That's the nature of just about any business, keep up with the competition or get left behind.

I hear you. I want development and improvement too, but I do want to give some props to the "founders" and the people who can produce quality boats in the US at minimum weight.

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#221404 - 10/11/10 07:35 AM Re: Why Nacra can and should compete [Re: pgp]
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Originally Posted By: pgp
smile "fist" regatta. I don't think it will come to that.
Lol, nice typo smile I meant first!
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#221407 - 10/11/10 09:12 AM Re: Why Nacra can and should compete [Re: pepin]
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We can forgive you Pepin, its just the way the French say things grin

What if and heres a what if, Nacra put banana boards on the F16, it would seem a logical thing to do if the same designers are being used as their F20 and from a marketing point of one upmanship + they would be able to use less voluminous hulls to carry the weight ( I know it would be trade off in light airs ) but it would put them outside the F16 class rules.

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#221409 - 10/11/10 09:37 AM Re: Why Nacra can and should compete [Re: waynemarlow]
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But isnt the F16 class all about allowing development??

curved boards are cool!!
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