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#235937 - 08/09/11 08:32 AM Re: F85SR Concept Boat [Re: Nacra5.8NA1386]
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Originally Posted By: Nacra5.8NA1386
looks great phill!


Thanks for the compliment.

Its great how when building your own boat you can get enjoyment from the smallest of achievements.

I made a glass tube yesterday which I needed for a part of a fitting that I'm making.
I wanted a tube with an internal dia of 35mm and around a 4mm wall thickness. I only need two sections of around 75mm so I made one 220mm section that I will cut up.
I used some 33mm al tube as a male mandrel, coated it in candle wax and then black plastic to keep the candlewax away from the end product. I wound 1250mm of 400gm BD cloth (220mm wide) onto the mandrel and spun it with a power drill while gripping it to compress the laminate. Then I wound 60mm strips of peel ply to form two layers which helped to further compress the layup and then two layer of PVC tape.
When cured I used my heat gun to warm it all up. The wax melted and the mandrel is released. Before I had a heat gun I would just pour boiling water down the tube.
Now the good bit is the final product contained 60/40 glass/resin ratio with a 4.5mm wall.
I've made lots of tubes this way before but never bothered to weigh and measure the components to work out the glass/resin ratio.
Half the fun in a project like this is taking pleasure from small achievements.
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#236011 - 08/10/11 12:32 PM Re: F85SR Concept Boat [Re: phill]
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Folks,
When setting up a vacuum session it is always a challenge to find all the leaks to get good vacuum pressure.
I understand that you can buy untrasonic leak detectors but that are a bit pricey for the home builder.
Well a friend who was helping me suggested that I buy a stethescope as they were on sale at a local store for $10 ea.

Well I tried it and if you are looking at vacuuming and can get a stethescope to help find leaks give it a go - it works great.

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Phill
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#236325 - 08/15/11 10:39 AM Re: F85SR Concept Boat [Re: phill]
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Hi Phill,

photos looks great and thanks for all the tips included!

Are you able to move the floats around by yourself?

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#236365 - 08/15/11 09:26 PM Re: F85SR Concept Boat [Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
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Rolf,
I can spin the floats around and move them back and forth in the workshop easily by myself. Having them suspended on slings from the ceiling makes this very quick and easy.
It's not the weight but their girth, it is too big to get a good enough grip to carry one outside alone. With another person each picking up an end where it is easy to grip carrying them around is no problem. The F85SR has enough volume in the floats to fly 2 of the 3 hulls.
Given the size and volume of the floats they are surprising light.


Edited by phill (08/15/11 09:30 PM)
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#236371 - 08/16/11 11:03 AM Re: F85SR Concept Boat [Re: phill]
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Flying two out of three hulls sounds good. If you get all three hulls airborne, you need bigger foils and a license wink


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#236583 - 08/21/11 12:48 PM Re: F85SR Concept Boat [Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
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Originally Posted By: Rolf_Nilsen
Hi Phill,

photos looks great and thanks for all the tips included!


Rolf,
A few days back I dropped the glass tube that I made on the concrete floor of my workshop. It sounded just like the ringing chink of a glass bottle , the sound they make when they bounce rather than break. The tube has been cut up and part of the hulls now.
One step at a time. smile
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#236996 - 08/31/11 01:04 PM Re: F85SR Concept Boat [Re: phill]
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I have added a few more picks of the work I have been doing.


The nose has been added to the floats and the glass tube included which is part of the fitting to take the brace for the spinnaker pole.



A 6mm long shank shackle is glued into the glass tube.





A 10mm silicon tube is used to ensure a path is maintained for the brace once the shackle is embedded into the resin.


A clamp is used to ensure the shackle finishes at or below the hull exterior surface. Giving a very clean look with just a couple of small holes. So there is an added benefit that the fitting does not interfere with fairing, painting or later on polishing.



The silicon tube pulled out quite easily after and I could double up a 5mm line and slide it through the smooth path left around the shackle. Therefore I can now pass a line with an eye splice through making it very easy to attach and detach the brace line.


Edited by phill (08/31/11 10:29 PM)
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#237146 - 09/03/11 10:40 PM Re: F85SR Concept Boat [Re: phill]
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Gee Phill That's a bit shackle, Aren't you worried about the boat nose diving with that amount of weight on the bow??? LOL

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#237147 - 09/04/11 12:21 AM Re: F85SR Concept Boat [Re: self_inflicted]
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Richard,
What do you think the lifting foils are for?

The shackle weighs 31 grams. The whole fitting including glass tube and resin to bog the shackle into the tube weighed 151 grams.

Damn good thing I have those foils. crazy
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#237149 - 09/04/11 12:52 AM Re: F85SR Concept Boat [Re: phill]
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More pics in the photo albumn as per below.
I prepared a surface to bond the vacuum film to in order to ensure a good seal. Layer of filler on the foam followed by coat of resin. (I later found two coats of resin, allowing cure between coats, appear to do the same job.)


Float laminated with peel ply on.



Managed to again pull a vacuum of 25 inches. (Around 12 pounds of pressure per sq inch.)
My $10 stethescope was very handy at finding the small leaks. The big leaks don't make a noise but you can usually see them.
Also I found out that the tacky tape does not stick well to resin with amine blush on it. Had to clean the amine blush off with acetone. In the past I had used a resin for the seal that does not blush. In future I'll stick with the blush free epoxy that I have when making sealing surfaces on the foam.


Using plastic and fan heaters to bring the temp up to 25 degC as the day cools.



Weighing everything that goes in and comes out I determined that 6.4 kgs of resin went in before vacuum and after pulled around 1 kg out in the wadding and peel ply.
I was pretty happy leaving only 5.5kg of resin in the hull side given the heavier weight of the external laminate. The resin content of the laminate looks just right.



An interesting point in the process was the need to get the glass to wrap around the keel by 50mm and stay up against the foam while we prepared for the vacuum. Gravity would be trying to work against this so I applied a layer of resin with fast hardener on the foam and did not try to wrap the glass around until it went tacky. The tacky resin easily did the job of holding the glass up against the foam while I wet out the glass with slow resin and prepared the vacuum.


Edited by phill (09/04/11 03:18 AM)
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