Really? Ted is 360#'s? I always thought he was adding some weight to make minimum.

Still, how much of the mostly mixed H16 teams has to do with needing to get weight down?

and Mike, don't get all sensitive on me.

Karl you know me I am just a sensitive type guy.
There are two things that are worth defending,your family and your boat and not necessarily in that order.
Ted is not 360 him and his crew are .

Late surprise : quoted tornado prices are EXCLUDING taxes

International Tornado website is source of late surprise

I quote directly

"Both boats are priced competitively with the Exploder being €15,900 and the Marstrom being €25,900, these prices are excluding tax and delivery but include a full suit of Ullman One Design Sails and a Carbon Mast."


Well, there it is.

Many of us were suspecting something fishy was going on with the Tornado quotes as is the case with many of the Tornado-trials related statements lately.

Taxes in euro zone are 19% VAT and that places the Exploder Tornado at € 18.921 when you pick it up yourself in Poland. A carbon masted F16 from one of the EU agents (UK, NL, France, ITA or Belgium) will be cheaper then that.

A Marstrom Tornado, that you have to pick up in Sweden, will set you back a € 30.821


Go figure,

Wouter

Correct. No W-1000, T-500 or GT-300, but a 1/2 dozen steeplechases and short stuff like that. I think Ksurfer2 let me nap during the day for one of them...

I was referring to buoy racing with my humor, but you have a point...

Jay,
You've got more experience than Sam, don't sweat it. He's one of those guys who uses the Intarweb to make people think he's something he's not, repetitively.

The year I sailed the Tybee 500 with Carl Roberts, I think we probably said about three words an hour to each other...got along just fine and had a good trip.

I would never have guessed that from his on-line persona, Jake. He is a smiling, gentle giant IRL, but Jeebus he could rant on the 'net.

I know! We're both probably fortunate that we didn't sort out each other's political persuasions on the trip though. It really was a very memorable Tybee. His lack of communication created a little stress occasionally...like when we had the lead coming out of Fernandina and for about 15 minutes I kept pointing out that we were letting the fleet reach further out and I kept calling out the ever-increasing bearing we needed to maintain to clear the end of the jetty. With the waves crashing on the rock jetty clearly in sight, I finally demanded an answer...and then all I got were three quietly mumbled words that made me go a little pale.

No universal healthcare?

Chemistry is everything when you're on a boat all day with someone.

I'll never forget a pickup crew I had one year for New England 100. We were bored and telling jokes. One of his jokes was so disturbing that I was seriously looking around like, "How close are we to Jamestown????!!!!"

I'm sure I turned a few shades whiter.

Mike