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#247491 - 04/26/12 02:35 PM It was a good night to race a catamaran
carlbohannon Offline
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After a month of light air on the Wed Night Races on Clear lake, we finally got a little wind. (Racing monohull dinghies in 5 kts sucks) Last night started with 8-20 and settled in to 12-16.

It was fun. Start high with speed and roll the fleet. Get caught by some friends in a V15 in the lighter air at the offset gate and then feed them dirty air and pass them on the downwind. After that just keep increasing your lead, trying not to do anything stupid, avoiding getting tangled wit the . Finish it off by passing the leader in fleet that started 3 minutes ahead, 200 yds from the finish line.

It could have better if there were 3 more Waves behind me

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#250889 - 07/17/12 07:40 PM Re: It was a good night to race a catamaran [Re: carlbohannon]
mrooke Offline
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Carl,

We have been sailing our Hobie Wave on Lake Buchanan (NW of Austin) and Texas City dike for over a year now. Last weekend we had a blast in up to 23 mph winds with the std jib on a 7 1/2 pole (like you suggested). Interestingly, the pole makes the Wave about as long as a Hobie 16 overall, but after this wild weekend we are ready for a larger head sail.

I have never raced before. My older son now lives in Pearland, so if you are planning on racing this Wed night(July 18), we will drive over to Clear Lake to watch and learn. Where do you launch on Clear Lake?

-Mark Rooke
Round Rock, Texas

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#250905 - 07/17/12 11:29 PM Re: It was a good night to race a catamaran [Re: mrooke]
Mugrace72 Offline
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Originally Posted By: mrooke
Carl,

Last weekend we had a blast in up to 23 mph winds with the std jib on a 7 1/2 pole (like you suggested). Interestingly, the pole makes the Wave about as long as a Hobie 16 overall, but after this wild weekend we are ready for a larger head sail.


-Mark Rooke
Round Rock, Texas


You mean something like this?

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Hobie Wave #100, Tiger Shark III
HCA-NA 5022-1
USSailing 654799E
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#250908 - 07/18/12 03:24 AM Re: It was a good night to race a catamaran [Re: Mugrace72]
xanderwess Offline
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Loc: Clear Lake Iowa
What the hell is that? Bat-mo-wave?

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#250910 - 07/18/12 07:28 AM Re: It was a good night to race a catamaran [Re: Mugrace72]
mrooke Offline
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Jack,

Perhaps... and since you asked, I do have some questions about your beautiful sail smile

1. What material is it made of and how large is it?

2. Since it does not overlap the mast, can you easily sail solo from the stern (e.g., like with a large jib you don't have to roll up to tack)?

3. Does it need to be all out or all rolled up, or does a partially rolled Hooter act like a smaller jib?

4. Under what conditions do you find you need to roll it up?

5. How well does it perform upwind and on a reach/downwind versus the std Wave and/or a Hobie 16?

Thanks in advance,
-Mark

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#250913 - 07/18/12 12:22 PM Re: It was a good night to race a catamaran [Re: mrooke]
Mugrace72 Offline
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Originally Posted By: mrooke
Jack,

Perhaps... and since you asked, I do have some questions about your beautiful sail smile

1. What material is it made of and how large is it?


3/4 oz spinnaker cloth

Made by Joe Waters at Waters Sails, Columbia, SC. Joe will make it any way you want it and it is scaleable. My pole is 10' which is a little radical. 7.5' seems to be what others are using. I am working with Joe on a semi-standard design for that pole length.

You might want to call him at (803) 957-5638 if you have any questions about the sail itself.

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2. Since it does not overlap the mast, can you easily sail solo from the stern (e.g., like with a large jib you don't have to roll up to tack)?


We designed it to sheet to a rachet block on the shroud chainplate. That way you do not need to cut a hole in the boat. Everything controls from your normal position. It does not need to be furled to gybe. Since I don't use it upwind, I haven't tried tacking. I'm going out today and will try that.

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3. Does it need to be all out or all rolled up, or does a partially rolled Hooter act like a smaller jib?


I have not experimented with it partly rolled up. That is a possibility. See above. I'll try that and report.

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4. Under what conditions do you find you need to roll it up?


It was not designed as an upwind sail, but surprisingly, it can sail pretty close to the wind. I suspect that it would not be faster upwind that a well sailed conventional Wave.

I have only used this rig on a 38 mile distance race (Mug Race, Jacksonville Florida) and it was all down wind in light air. It was very fast...faster when there was more wind.

I will be doing more testing this week.
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Jack Woehrle
Hobie Wave #100, Tiger Shark III
HCA-NA 5022-1
USSailing 654799E
Alachua FL

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#250914 - 07/18/12 12:52 PM Re: It was a good night to race a catamaran [Re: Mugrace72]
RickWhite Offline

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Take a look at this story and all the links in it. That will explain a lot. This was the Hooter system I developed for the Wave about 10 years ago. The concept was to make the Wave a two-person trainer boat for youth. Still has possibilities.
http://www.catsailor.com/waves/superwave_overall.html

I sell the Calvert Hooter and the entire system on our store. Here is the link:
http://www.catsailor.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=9335&idcategory=0
http://www.catsailor.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=8049&idcategory=0

About four years ago I had the sails built for the Super Hooter, which had a roller furling, self tacking jib, and a roller furling Hooter on a 9 foot pole.
I was passing a well-sailed Hobie 20 when it imploded. Since then I have beefed up the bow sprit.

What Jack has done is make an even longer bow sprit, however I am pretty sure 9' is plenty.
Hope to have the Super Hooter in the Sandusky Steeplechase coming up in a couple of weeks.
Rick
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#250925 - 07/19/12 12:31 AM Re: It was a good night to race a catamaran [Re: mrooke]
Mugrace72 Offline
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Loc: Alachua, FL
Originally Posted By: mrooke
Jack,


5. How well does it perform upwind and on a reach/downwind versus the std Wave and/or a Hobie 16?

Thanks in advance,
-Mark


OK, I just got in from sailing in about 10 knots.

Pointing and hooters should not be in the same discussion. A Wave is faster upwind (VMG) with its mainsail only. Neither a jib nor a hooter will give you enough extra speed to make up for the lower pointing ability.

However, I found it was very easy to tack from reach to reach if that is what you want to do . Gybing was even easier.

A hooter has value when close to broad reaching. It does not do well DDW or pointing.

I also think that it is not a tactical sail so much as a strategic device and is lots of fun just sailing around and showing off.

It is more suited to distance races where you can stay on a reach for long stretches.

Around the buoys I think a well sailed conventional Wave could be just as fast.
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Jack Woehrle
Hobie Wave #100, Tiger Shark III
HCA-NA 5022-1
USSailing 654799E
Alachua FL

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#250929 - 07/19/12 12:24 PM Re: It was a good night to race a catamaran [Re: Mugrace72]
RickWhite Offline

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Jack, with my original Hooter I could point as high and go almost as fast as a hobie 16 going upwind.

With the longer pole and bigger spin you may not be able to.
Rick
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Catsailor Magazine & OnLineMarineStore.com
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#250930 - 07/19/12 01:28 PM Re: It was a good night to race a catamaran [Re: RickWhite]
Mugrace72 Offline
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Loc: Alachua, FL
Originally Posted By: RickWhite
Jack, with my original Hooter I could point as high and go almost as fast as a hobie 16 going upwind.

With the longer pole and bigger spin you may not be able to.
Rick


Right...we didn't want a sail that flat. It could be made flatter, but it depends on what you want to do with it. Actually, I can flatten it a lot with more halyard tension.

Last night I did't have it set that way. I will play around with it and see exactly what it is capable of.
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Jack Woehrle
Hobie Wave #100, Tiger Shark III
HCA-NA 5022-1
USSailing 654799E
Alachua FL

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