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#204300 - 02/25/10 12:51 PM Re: loop holes ** [Re: Buccaneer]
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More than twice if you add in Estate Taxes as well...
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#204301 - 02/25/10 01:16 PM Re: loop holes [Re: Buccaneer]
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http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution Search away.

I understand the situation perfectly well. The "business first" scenario is like trying to stand a pyramid on its tip. It can be done but is unstable. Following Lincoln's wisdom of "labor precedes capital" is like balancing the same pyramid on its base.

Permitting tax avoidance enables abuses like the "Dodger owner" posited above.

A sales tax won't make goods and services cheaper but it will put more money in the hands of the consumer. Which, in turn, allows the market to determine which producers succeed and which fail.

As to enforcement, let us consider the hot dog vendor: if he does all his business in cash he can easily evade his income tax; his problem comes when he buys a Lexus, Rolex or mansion. The problem for government is policing millions of small income producers.

Now consider the NYSE: Its credibility is absolutely paramount. If they are charged with collecting sales tax on every transaction they'll do it. It stands to reason they would avoid a confrontation with the Feds. In addition, negative tax consequences would tend to reduce volatility.

Hell, if you tax EVERYTHING, collection could become a profit center for truly large businesses. The Feds could allow the NYSE, or grocery stores, to keep a portion of the tax collected as a fee. This may already be the case with state sales tax, I'm not sure.

In the end, it isn't the system it's the implementation. The current system is so complex it is easily abused.
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#204302 - 02/25/10 01:32 PM Re: loop holes [Re: pgp]
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"A sales tax won't make goods and services cheaper but it will put more money in the hands of the consumer."

Wha........?????????????
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#204307 - 02/25/10 02:28 PM Re: loop holes [Re: bullswan]
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Harry Reid says paying taxes are voluntary!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7mRSI8yWwg

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#204309 - 02/25/10 02:44 PM Re: loop holes [Re: Inter_Michael]
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Apparently quite a few of President Obama's cabinet listen very closely to Harry Reid.... (hello? Tim Geitner)

As do a number of Congressmen, (including the chairperson of the taxation committee Charles Rangel).
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#204317 - 02/25/10 03:48 PM Re: loop holes [Re: Inter_Michael]
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Yes and prison is also voluntary.. wink

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#204336 - 02/25/10 07:26 PM Re: loop holes [Re: Buccaneer]
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Have you seen, or heard any complete sound bytes of the healthe care debate?

Why does the 'great one', and his minions even bother? The big eared man child, who has the least amount of any experience, (actually, no matter what room he enters, day care, the Senate, etc.) has already made his mind, and despite overwhelming lack of support, will pass this bill.
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#204337 - 02/25/10 07:33 PM Re: loop holes [Re: Just Todd]
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OH NO HE DIDN'T!!!

Did you see, or hear, when the Illegal POTUS, (if he's not illegal, why won't he release any of his records?- b/c he knows any of it would prove the case-against him) told the honorable Senator John McCain, 'John, we're not on the campaign trail asnymore' ?

Really Big ears? You never left the campaign trail!
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#204341 - 02/25/10 07:59 PM Re: loop holes [Re: Just Todd]
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Yea WI!

Representative Ryan, (A republican), is handing Big Ears Ass to him!! ON Natl TV!!

As he puts it 'hiding spending is not reducing spending'.

BiG Ears was hoping this was going differently. He thought this would show how uncooperative and close-minded the Repubs were.

Instead, they are performing beautifully!!
BHO is having his ASS handed to him!!
(cue Mikee and a pictue of an ASS)
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#204371 - 02/25/10 10:45 PM Re: loop holes [Re: Just Todd]
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Well, I watched it all. I don't think a damn thing was accomplished. No side is any closer to the position of the others.

That's my opinion. Did anyone see something I missed?
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