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#250963 - 07/20/12 08:48 PM Re: F18 spinnaker cleat? [Re: DuncanO]
mikekrantz Offline
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On N20's we always mounted a cleat on each side of the boom. The crew comes in to address something, and cleats the spin to the boom. Does his job, back on the wire, pops the sheet out.

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#250978 - 07/23/12 02:10 AM Re: F18 spinnaker cleat? [Re: DuncanO]
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Okay, so I think I've got a bit more information after taking the boat out today. The wind was 11+ knots, my crew was really struggling to sheet or even hold the spinnaker. I've gotta get this sorted out. I had to rush once we got the boat out of the water today. But I'll get out to the club one day this week and take off one of the hull mounted blocks. If I can't get it to ratchet I'll take it to the rigging shop and see if they can advise. Otherwise I'll just replace it. I want to thank everyone for all their help, and I have realized that the existing setup is definitely not working.

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#250989 - 07/23/12 05:50 PM Re: F18 spinnaker cleat? [Re: DuncanO]
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so, you check which ones are working each time you run the spin sheet through a block? Should be easy to sort out then (as well as if you've run any of them backwards)
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#251005 - 07/25/12 12:20 AM Re: F18 spinnaker cleat? [Re: DuncanO]
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Okay so - I think I've arrived at a solution. The (previously hull mounted) blocks that I thought were Harken were 40mm Ronstan units that definitely do not ratchet. I'm planning on moving the 57mm ratchamatics to the hull position and I've ordered a pair of 57mm carbo ratchamatics for the beam. This combination should make it much easier to sheet the spinnaker. I will report back on how well this works.

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#251217 - 08/07/12 02:01 AM Re: F18 spinnaker cleat? [Re: DuncanO]
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So today we were out in ~12knots with the spin and it was MUCH better. It was still a pain to sheet in under load (duh) but either of us could *hold* it with relative ease. I want to thank everyone here for all their assistance. The spinnaker has become a thing of pleasure (and power) again.

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#251290 - 08/10/12 11:56 PM Re: F18 spinnaker cleat? [Re: DuncanO]
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I think it is best to have both ratcheting blocks and one with a switch to turn on or off. In light breeze we turn one off but in anything above about 7 knots they are both one. This will help the crew immensely.

Dan
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#251305 - 08/12/12 03:56 PM Re: F18 spinnaker cleat? [Re: Dan_Delave]
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Originally Posted By: Dan_Delave
I think it is best to have both ratcheting blocks and one with a switch to turn on or off. In light breeze we turn one off but in anything above about 7 knots they are both one. This will help the crew immensely.



Dan


+1
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#251351 - 08/14/12 01:48 AM Re: F18 spinnaker cleat? [Re: TeamChums]
Just Todd Offline
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Originally Posted By: TeamChums
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Cleating a spin sheet is asking to go swimming.

Not totaly accurate. You just need to drive a little more conservatively. I've sailed SOLO all the way from Catalina Island to San Pedro Ca (Long Beach area) with my spin sheet wrapped around my windward daggerboard flying a hull the whole way. A cleat on the deck helps when the crew has to clear rudders and boards or anything else.


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Hey Lee,

I bought an Infusion yesterday!
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#251352 - 08/14/12 01:50 AM Re: F18 spinnaker cleat? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever]
Just Todd Offline
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Originally Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever
Originally Posted By: Dan_Delave
I think it is best to have both ratcheting blocks and one with a switch to turn on or off. In light breeze we turn one off but in anything above about 7 knots they are both one. This will help the crew immensely.



Dan


+1


And putting a simple 2 to 1 on the leeward side in a distance race
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#251473 - 08/17/12 06:27 PM Re: F18 spinnaker cleat? [Re: Dan_Delave]
maritimesailor Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dan_Delave
I think it is best to have both ratcheting blocks and one with a switch to turn on or off. In light breeze we turn one off but in anything above about 7 knots they are both one. This will help the crew immensely.

Dan


+1 on this. I actually like having the ratchet on the forward block (one on the beam) in light air as I find it lets the spin go smoother during gybes.

Also, no one mentioned gloves. Make sure your crew is using some sort of hardware store glove like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Flex-Tuff-Work-G...=item337aaeb7a2

I cut the thumb and first two finger tips off, helps me deal with shackles, knots etc. These kind of gloves have WAY more holding power then your standard over priced sailing glove.

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