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#53818 - 07/24/05 11:41 PM Re: Agent Orange [Re: Jalani]
Wouter Offline
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Surely those are just black painted or anodised beams Wouter?





Not everything coming down the grapevine is true but ....

I can confirm thought that the black beams on the Dutch twin (Same orange coloured hulls) are black anodised alu.


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I can't see the justification for the cost of suitable carbon beams





Me neither, but for same owners, having such beams is just a statement that needs to be made.


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#53819 - 07/25/05 04:28 AM Re: Agent Orange [Re: Wouter]
Blobby Offline
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Hi guys.

That Blade is actually at my club in Singapore (Changi Sailing Club) where we have a fleet of 20 Taipans and now hopefully a few Blades joining in too.

It has wood/epoxy hulls, Goodall wingmast rig. The main beams are carbon with kevlar inserts under the mast and no dolphin striker. The rear beam is 50/50 carbon/glass. The beams are carbon as these are cheaper than importing aluminium beams from AHPC for the Taipans.

The boat is being put together by Pro-sail Asia in Malaysia, the local Taipan agent as the costs of importing boats from Aus has gone through the roof due to a 30% change in the exchange rate!

I haven't seen the boat in action against the Taipans yet but it looks superb in the flesh.

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#53820 - 07/25/05 08:12 AM Re: Agent Orange [Re: Blobby]
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Blobby wrote:
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The beams are carbon as these are cheaper than importing aluminium beams from AHPC for the Taipans.





I find that incredible! There is reputedly a world shortage of carbon cloth that is now pushing up the cost of carbon parts and yet it is cheaper than imported aluminium beams?

On grounds of cost, if that is the reason in this case, I can understand using these beams over ali. But are there any performance advantages? I can't see what they'd be. In addition, surely using a 'different' technology to the 'norm' must increase the complications? What about beam attachment points, mast support, track attachment, trampoline mounting, through-beam fittings, etc. ?

What at first appeared to be a particularly nice looking Blade turns out to be pretty radical and not a little complex
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#53821 - 07/29/05 10:40 AM Re: Agent Orange [Re: Jalani]
Jalani Offline
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Phill,

Can you repost those other photos of Agent Orange please? Thanks
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#53822 - 07/29/05 07:58 PM Re: Agent Orange [Re: Jalani]
scooby_simon Offline

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My post got lost :

"I have relatives sho live in HK and importing anything into SE asia is a nightmare and expensive; it way well be tthat local carbon is cheaper than import Alu;

My next boat is going to be 99% carbon and the price change I've been quoted so far is only +150GBP if the boat is built out of the next batch - boat build is dependant on sail of the Inter 17 !
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#53823 - 07/29/05 10:59 PM Re: Agent Orange [Re: scooby_simon]
MarkMT Offline
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and your next boat will be...??
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#53824 - 07/29/05 11:31 PM Re: Agent Orange [Re: Jalani]
phill Offline

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Loc: Central Coast NSW Australia
John,
Would you like the same photos posted or different ones.

Regards,
Phill
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#53825 - 07/30/05 12:23 AM Re: Agent Orange [Re: MarkMT]
ejpoulsen Offline
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and your next boat will be...??




Scooby Simon has been guarding that secret very closely, but he has been dropping clues here and there...

He likes carbon

He lives in the UK

He like high performance

He knows John Pierce

He sails single handed

I'm going to guess:

He's having Stealth Marine design/build a carbon A-cat like boat with spinnaker.
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#53826 - 07/30/05 07:11 AM Re: Agent Orange [Re: Jalani]
phill Offline

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John,
Here they are plus a couple of the others that I have.


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Edited by phill (07/30/05 07:29 AM)
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#53827 - 07/30/05 07:19 AM Re: Agent Orange [Re: phill]
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No Dolphin Striker


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Edited by phill (07/30/05 07:21 AM)
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