You know, this F12 did get my juices going in such a way that I started looking at something like this. I figured that for the extremely low cost of these craft a company could just buy 10 or 20 of them and do a major promo stunt with it. I dare not publically express the cost listing I have now as I just can't believe it myself but it is truely low.

But the boat have to look cool and exiting other a company like RedBull will not consider it and this company really does stunts like that.

And I figured one stage more. What if this takes off. How many would fit in a seacontainer ? Must we try to design the rules in such a way that it will be really inexpensive to ship them internationally. Say to one of the Caribian islands.

I now got the package down to 36 per 40 foot container with the F12's all packed in their standardized (card board) boxes. This can well be the boxes in which they were delivered to the customer initially. I'm getting close to putting 48 boats in. Result : Shipping your boat to an event to anywhere in the world would be between 200-300 Euro's if the container is stacked full.


Another reason for this effort is so that mass producing these boats in say Asia is viable.

Wouter

Gareth,
I'm both encouraged and discouraged by what has been going on in these discussions. So much enthusiasm yet still so much bickering.

I have been trying to work out why this is so. I think apart from the personal differences hear I think we may have two completeley different objectives.

On one hand there is a group that just want to get young people into the sport. Mostly people that you would not hook otherwise.

Then there is the group that are in the sport and want to get the best they can to introduce their own offspring to the sport or give the young ones they know in the sport the next step in performance or just design the best performer given the anticipated rules.

So in answer to your question I have two hull shapes in mind.
One will perform well but is essentially a fun boat that can be built in a very short period of time at very little cost.
The second is a more refined craft and given that I still have a desire to maintain simplicity and even with the physical limitations in this size it is a race boat. The race boat is for experienced kids and light weight adults.

The first shape is aimed at bringing people into the sport and if push comes to shouve could be built with a knife, screw driver, saw, plane, hammer and tape measure.
The magic in this is not in the refined hull shape but the method of construction, time involved and cost.
I think this boat will still give the newcomers what they need to get hooked.

So rather than share this with the forum and blow more hot air. I will try to clear some time in a few weeks and build it. Documenting both the time and cost. I need to build an F18 plug but straight after that I'll get it done.

It's time we saw something we can touch.

Regards,
Phill

Wouter,
There is nothing dirty about it.
It is just simpler and with simlicity comes compomise.
The simpler sollution in this case just has different advantages. Advantages that I think will be more inclined to draw people into the sport.
In drawing them into the sport it is more oriented towards fun than performance. When their prefernces shift towards performance you can then look at the more involved sollution that will give that added performance.

I'm taking about a sollutiom more focused on ease in the construction phase and fun on the water.
The other sollution is more about refined performance.

I agree that the formula concept will embrace both if the formula is well written.

Regards,
Phill

I understand and I was with that scheme from the beginning.

Forgive me about the "Dirty" word.

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In drawing them into the sport it is more oriented towards fun than performance. When their prefernces shift towards performance you can then look at the more involved sollution that will give that added performance.

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True.

But I would like to underscore that when designing the basic underlying structure of the F12 we should be fully focussed on maximizing performance given the strict limits (simplicity/cheap). Because it is far easier to make a fast design more "fun" then making a "fun" design faster.

Wouter

Are you guys trying to make excuses for Wouter or insult him? It certainly is not clear from the last two posts, which apparently were made by English-speaking people.

Perhaps Mary we should have a translation from Queens English to American English

The mono 420’s have centerboards, the Optimist and Lasers have dagerboards, all popular with youth sailing teams should they also be considered for the F 12?

Regards,
Bob

Well a laser daggerboard is probably expensive. We will need 2 custom boards, so it is not in line lowest cost approach.

For now I want to try doing without daggerboards or centreboards but if we need them then they are easily added to the hull. Sadly, as Matt says, against added costs and complexity. As we'll have two on the F12, will be much more hit by these then a monohull.

Wouter