...I don't think Chip took me seriously,...and neither should you. I was just waxing nostalgia about the old forum, when the most ridiculous discussions would occur about Hobies. The Hobie insultors, both clever and not so clever, often made their anonymous presence known. And as much as I love Hobies, I never did accept the assertion a H-16 could hold 40 people. Some people saw the humor in clever remarks (on both sides), and some missed the humor and were insulted.-The result was like watching a food fight in a junior high lunch room. There was one dullard of a Hobie-hater that thought he was funny, but he was just obnoxous. If you go to the old forum, you may be able to still start a food fight. Just claim something wonderful about Hobie, that sounds a bit too wonderful, and see what happens.