| And what do you know ... ! #103757 04/14/07 05:31 AM 04/14/07 05:31 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe Wouter OP
Carpal Tunnel
|
OP
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | And what do you know ... ! Take a look at this : Notice the free standing rig. It is very similar to what we were thinking of doing on the F12. Also check out the video on their homepage http://www.windkart.com/en/windkart.php?pg=accueilCheck out the other video's at their video page, especially the riders video (click on "video playlist in the bottom right hand corner of the video window) http://www.windkart.com/en/windkart.php?pg=wkmovieThe boats seems to have good speed (despite it weighting 110 kg = 240 lbs). Figure an F12 at 60 kg ! for its specs scroll down this page http://www.windkart.com/en/windkart.php?pg=gammeLength : 3,65 m / 12 ft Beam : 2,25 m / 7,4 ft Weight : 110 kg / 242 lb Draught: 0.59 m /2 ft Crew : 1 - 2 Boom : 2,50 m Sail area: from 8,50 m² Sailing from 3 to 30 knots of wind The latest version of the F12 had : Length : 3,70 m / 12.1 ft Beam : 1.85 m / 6.07 ft Weight : 60 kg / 132 lb Draught: 0.50 m /2 ft Crew : 1 - 2 (max 120 kg) Boom : 2.00 Sail area: from 7,50 m² Wouter
Last edited by Wouter; 04/14/07 05:35 AM.
Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
| | | Re: And what do you know ... !
[Re: Wouter]
#103758 04/14/07 05:03 PM 04/14/07 05:03 PM | Anonymous
Unregistered
| Anonymous
Unregistered | Wouter:
Seems like a fun boat. How much US? We are trying yo arrange the of truck SL-16's that US Sailing has to come to our area for a clinic/regatta.
Doug
| | | Re: And what do you know ... !
[Re: ]
#103759 04/14/07 05:11 PM 04/14/07 05:11 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe Wouter OP
Carpal Tunnel
|
OP
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | Don't know. The webpage doesn't tell the asking price.
truck load of Sl16's ! Cool.
Wouter
Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
| | | Re: And what do you know ... !
[Re: Wouter]
#103760 04/14/07 06:18 PM 04/14/07 06:18 PM |
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 _flatlander_
old hand
|
old hand
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | Saw their assembly time at 20 minutes and thought, huh?
Looks like it's similar to the Hobie 17, the way the crossbars fit into the hulls.
John H16, H14
| | | Re: And what do you know ... !
[Re: Wouter]
#103761 04/15/07 06:12 AM 04/15/07 06:12 AM |
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,479 Thailand Buccaneer
veteran
|
veteran
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,479 Thailand |
Notice the free standing rig. It is very similar to what we were thinking of doing on the F12.
The free standing rig is cool but with the blow cart style helm there would for sure be no use for hiking straps.<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
"House prices have risen by nearly 25 percent over the past two years. Although speculative activity has increased in some areas, at a national level these price increases largely reflect strong economic fundamentals." – Ben Bernanke – 2005
| | | Re: And what do you know ... !
[Re: Buccaneer]
#103762 04/16/07 02:51 AM 04/16/07 02:51 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe Wouter OP
Carpal Tunnel
|
OP
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | The free standing rig is cool but with the blow cart style helm there would for sure be no use for hiking straps.
Personally I think the blowkart style **** is a mistake, except when wanting to attact total novices to sailing at resorts. It will add ALOT of weight and make assembling take alot more time. My main interest in this design was the free standing rig, the looks and the speed this craft still achieves. I see it as a sort of validation conception. Now the F12 must refine the design to a truely outstanding catamaran. In my view this means a normal trampoline setup with two straight beams in combo with a normal rudder setup. Wouter
Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
| | | Re: And what do you know ... !
[Re: warbird]
#103764 08/19/07 07:34 PM 08/19/07 07:34 PM | Anonymous
Unregistered
| Anonymous
Unregistered | Wouter:
I agree. We need the KISS way of doing it. Make it easy to sail and rig and teach the kids the basics so they can move up as they grow. We must do everything we can to keep getting new blood into the sport.
Doug | | | Re: And what do you know ... !
[Re: ]
#103765 08/23/07 08:07 AM 08/23/07 08:07 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe Wouter OP
Carpal Tunnel
|
OP
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | This project is still close to my heart, but sadly it is on hold till I have some "play money" to spend on this project. Will probably take another year or two.
I'm still looking at new ways to do this though. And I think the wishbone rig (as a windsurfer) may have the best cards at this time. Mostly because then there will be no need to have a kicking strap or traveller on the boat, this simplifies the design another step. And with a wishbone rig you can keep the sail tensioned all the time and have the battens pop nice and easy during a tack.
Wouter
Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
| | | Re: What about something based on this IFG design?
[Re: arbo06]
#103767 10/17/07 09:52 AM 10/17/07 09:52 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe Wouter OP
Carpal Tunnel
|
OP
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe |
Cheshire cat : 7900 USD
F12 : 3500 USD (or less)
<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> That is about 4400 reasons to favour one over the other ! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
But seriously the F12 is fundamentally different from the Cheshire cat both in target group and concept. The F12 has a design requirement to be fully assembled from its basic parts under 10 minutes (5 if I get the trampoline fixture right), with as added requirement that all parts (except readily available ones like small blocks) must be homebuildable as well.
Wouter
Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
| | |
|
0 registered members (),
682
guests, and 86
spiders. | Key: Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod | | Forums26 Topics22,405 Posts267,056 Members8,150 | Most Online2,167 Dec 19th, 2022 | | |