| America's cup #110106 06/22/07 03:23 PM 06/22/07 03:23 PM |
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Posts: 1,152 tampa, fl | While it may not be catsailing, I'm sure many of us will be tuning in. My prediction.....Alingi in 7. Anyone else care to make a prediction?
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#110107 06/22/07 03:49 PM 06/22/07 03:49 PM | Anonymous
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I don't think there is any reason to doubt that both the TNZ crew work and tactics will be outstanding. The big unknowns imo are Barker v Baird in the starting box and boat speed. And at the moment that really is what they are - unknown. So I think predictions are a bit pointless right now, at least until after the first race.
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#110108 06/22/07 06:55 PM 06/22/07 06:55 PM |
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | Alinghi seems to be faster and in the AC the fastest boat wins, making the crew, tactics, etc. look good. I bet in an easy series, with few (if any) defeats.
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#110110 06/22/07 10:45 PM 06/22/07 10:45 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | rootin' for the Kiwis, thinking it's going to be Alingi again. Kiwis promise to bring back nationalism to the cup.
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Posts: 902 Norman,OK | So could the 88 Stars and Stripes (the catamaran) beat the modern AC boats around the course?
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | So could the 88 Stars and Stripes (the catamaran) beat the modern AC boats around the course? Without a doubt. hell, an I20 can probably race boat for boat .
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#110113 06/22/07 10:48 PM 06/22/07 10:48 PM |
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Posts: 902 Norman,OK | They go like hell upwind, and when they tack they look like they jump forward, I swear I think they make 20-30 yards of direct upwind ground on each tack.
Even then do you think a beachcat like the I20 could beat one?
Anyone have a spare AC boat laying around we could test all this out on?
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#110114 06/22/07 11:02 PM 06/22/07 11:02 PM |
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Posts: 2,921 Michigan | I do find it interesting that our boats go faster than the AC boats and cost, what, 1/500 of one?
How fast do the AC boats go?
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#110115 06/23/07 03:02 AM 06/23/07 03:02 AM |
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Posts: 902 Norman,OK | I think 13 or 14 knots is doing pretty well for them upwind and a little better downwind.
Once you go cat you never go back!
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#110116 06/23/07 03:27 AM 06/23/07 03:27 AM |
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Posts: 337 Victoria, Australia | I think 13 or 14 knots is doing pretty well for them upwind and a little better downwind. I watched 2 hours of the semi finals on cable the other day (sick at home) and they were doing around 8 - 9 kts up wind at around 30 deg (so the commentators were saying anyway). It looked around 15kts of breeze from the sea state. During the tacks they only slowed a knot or so and that was very brief. Jybes looked very easy to foul up with the spi pole and asymmetric being quite complicated. Any reason why they can't go for a fixed pole off the bow? I was impressed how quickly they hoisted and sucked away such a big sail though. Tiger Mike | | | Re: America's cup
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#110117 06/23/07 03:39 AM 06/23/07 03:39 AM |
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | I watched 2 hours of the semi finals on cable the other day (sick at home) and they were doing around 8 - 9 kts up wind at around 30 deg (so the commentators were saying anyway). It looked around 15kts of breeze from the sea state.
Taking this data we find a VMG of 9 * cos (30) = 7.79 knots For a beach catamaran sailing at 50 degrees off the wind to achieve the same VMG it needs to travel at 7.79/cos(50) = 12.13 knots. I think an I-20 or other formula (modern) beach cat can do that in 15 knots of wind. So on this data alone it appears a beach cat will beat an america cupper when the crew is skilled enough to make fast tacks and gybes. Wouter
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Posts: 902 Norman,OK | They sail 30 degrees to the wind, and keep up that kinda of speed? That is insane!
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