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weight of f16 #111972
07/19/07 12:37 AM
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lets have a pole on who thinks we should as a group increase the weight of the f16. I would like it to remain the same



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Re: weight of f16 [Re: ratherbsailing] #111973
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same, leave the rules as they are, no need to change them.

Re: weight of f16 [Re: ratherbsailing] #111974
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Pleeeeease don't change any of the F16 rules. Leave well enough alone and let the class grow! Slightly heavier boats will be plenty competitive.


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Re: weight of f16 [Re: ejpoulsen] #111975
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I dont think anybody except perhaps some manufacturers want to change the min. weight, so no worries. No matter what, there would have to be a vote before the rules were changed, so no worries. It would take very strong arguments to convince the current owners and builders that it would be in the best interest of the class to raise the min weight.

Oh, and of course the min. weight should be where it is today.

Re: weight of f16 [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #111976
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Hi all,

I want to tell that the rules as they are on the moment will not change. The weight rule as it is now will be remain. The first what needs to be done now is to create a more stable class and let the manufactures have the change to develop a boat what is competitive, strong and good. If we are changing to much they cannot follow that and they will stop there investments in the class which will kill the class.


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Re: weight of f16 [Re: ratherbsailing] #111977
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I actively and fundamentally oppose any raising of the ready-to-sail weight rules.

Wouter


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Re: weight of f16 [Re: Wouter] #111978
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I actively and fundamentally oppose any raising of the ready-to-sail weight rules.

Wouter


Me too. If this were to happen the F16 would be a laughing stock. "oh, look, the The F16 has got lardier, how funny is that, everyone is making their boats lighter and the F16 went then other way - how silly".


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Re: weight of f16 [Re: scooby_simon] #111979
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THE SOUL REASON we got the boat is because of its weight, our weight, and NO minimum crew weight!!!!!

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Re: weight of f16 [Re: Joanna] #111980
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THE SOUL REASON we got the boat is because of its weight, our weight, and NO minimum crew weight!!!!!


Are you sure it's "SOUL" -- deeply felt emotion

or

maybe it's "SOLE" -- being the only one

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Re: weight of f16 [Re: tback] #111981
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THE SOUL REASON we got the boat is because of its weight, our weight, and NO minimum crew weight!!!!!


Are you sure it's "SOUL" -- deeply felt emotion

or

maybe it's "SOLE" -- being the only one

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Will we sea (see) you at Juan's Good Time, Sept 8-9 ?





Well it really isn't the "only one" reason, yes we feel a "deep emotion" with the boat, and I am a math/science person so my spelling/english stinks....So I am not sure which it is. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

As for Juana's--CatFest in Charlotte, NC falls on the same weekend. To support our division and because it is much closer we are going there. But we would really like to get together with you all sometime.

BTW Good news!!!!! By next weekend we will have another Blade in Chattanooga.


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Re: weight of f16 [Re: ratherbsailing] #111982
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Here in the UK the A Class is marketed as "the fastest singlehanded racing boats in the world" (Y&Y June 1,2007) If that is true then at present F16's must be the fastest single handers downwind in the world. I don't think it will be to long until a F16 beats an A at a relevant regatta to take the complete title, that is for as long as we don't add any unnecessary weight to the platform.
Mind you at that time the A's will probably argue that F16's aren't strictly singlehanders!!!


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Re: weight of f16 [Re: Mark P] #111983
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The rumour is that Rohan Veal (current Moth World Champion) is beating Glenn Ashby (current A-class World Champion) around the course!

I don't think A's can claim to be the fastest single handers anymore...!

Re: weight of f16 [Re: ncik] #111984
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RAISE THE MINIMUM WEIGHT ????
I WOULD VOTE TO HAVE IT LOWERED (but then that's just me, the older I get the less weight I like to pull around)

Re: weight of f16 [Re: ncik] #111985
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The rumour is that Rohan Veal (current Moth World Champion) is beating Glenn Ashby (current A-class World Champion) around the course!

I don't think A's can claim to be the fastest single handers anymore...!


Comparing a foiler with a displacement / planing sailboat doesn't seem right to me.

Re: weight of f16 [Re: Berny] #111986
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Raise the weight?? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> I'd rather see us put foiler boards and rudders on the F16's and then go race with the Moths! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: weight of f16 [Re: Berny] #111987
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The comparison was between singlehanders, not foiler/non-foiler.

Re: weight of f16 [Re: ncik] #111988
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The Australian A-class Association website does say "the fastest one-man yacht in the World".


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Re: weight of f16 [Re: ncik] #111989
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But the Taipan and Mossies have been produced for many many years. Unfortunately the so called “big manufactures” are unwilling to do anything more then regurgitate old hull designs and use primitive production techniques performed by poorly supervised unskilled labor. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Re: weight of f16 [Re: Tim_Mozzie] #111990
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That claim by the A class association is now very suspect when the Yachting Victoria yardsticks list both the A class and the F16 (for F16 both 2 up AND SINGLEHANDED) at 71. These yardsticks are based on real performance results IN A VARIETY of ACTUAL races, and as such is a very good representation of their true performance accreditation against each other, ON THE WATER. Even more so as in those A class results there have featured some of, if not the best A class sailers in the world, whereas the F16 sailers, although good sailers, have not had the benefit of the same extensive close F 16 "class" competition over long hard years of top tuning/racing that the A's have. A conservative analogy would be that, all things being equal, the single-handed F16 performances will only improve over time whereas the A class will in all probability remain relatively the same. Even so, as it stands as of this moment, the F16 single handed IS currently rated exactly the same as the A class, ergo, the A class cats are NOT the fastest single handed cats in the world today. Their statement is false.

Re: weight of f16 [Re: Buccaneer] #111991
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{But the Taipan and Mossies have been produced for many many years. Unfortunately the so called “big manufactures” are unwilling to do anything more then regurgitate old hull designs and use primitive production techniques performed by poorly supervised unskilled labor.} END QUOTE

Hang about a minute, we regularly see the inside of the hulls of both Taipans and Mosquitoes and the supposedly “big manufacturers” who have made them have definitely NOT used “primitive production techniques performed by poorly supervised unskilled labour”, quite the contrary, in all instances of those two particular makes of cats, the building techniques and materials used, when made by commercial manufacturers, have been excellent by anyone’s standards.
The hull designs are an entirely different “subjective “ matter, probably best left to individual desires and preferences.

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