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Spin Clew or clueless? #136250
03/13/08 02:39 PM
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From the general forum
"We put eye splices in the end, and use an 18" 1/8" spectra luggage tag to attach the the spin clew."

What is the luggage tag referenced above. Does the spectra bowline the eyes together and then bowline onto the clew? I picture more of a leader not a tag.


Assuming that both ends of the spin sheet end up at the clew of the spin how are these attached to the spin for a non-tangling but removable solution?

When I first got my boat, I used a short piece of hi-tech line tied in a LARKS HEAD at the clew. Each end of this hi-tech was tied with a SHEET BEND onto the spin sheets. This was a bit lumpy so I taped the knots to improve the profile.
I know there must be a better way.
Does each end of the spin sheet get a spectra tail? These tails are then fastened to the clew?


When I look at this pic, I can't see any knots/line changes. Is that because the knot is on the tramp? Is this knot the reason that the lazy sheet looks short?
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Re: Spin Clew or clueless? [Re: bobcat] #136251
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Now this one looks line mine but the knots don't seem to be as lumpy. How? [Linked Image]

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Re: Spin Clew or clueless? [Re: bobcat] #136252
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I think it really is a leader that Krantz is referring to. I use a piece of spectra- 1/8 or 7/64 with an eyesplice that is put through the middle of the spin sheets then I tie that piece of spectra onto the clew of the spin. The ends of the spin sheets are then tied together on the tramp. I might have a pic sitting around somwhere.
I would like to do it the way Krantz mentions and do eye splices in the ends of the sheets and then use a piece of spectra to the clew but other than apex and maybe that robline he likes there aren't a lot of single braid line that works for spin sheets that you can do that with. I like my set up now other than the knot on the tramp. The benefit of my setup - and krantz- is that there are no knots on the clew of the spin to deform it in light winds and get caught on the forestays during gybes

I apologize for the large size... but it has to be big to see it. You can see my spin sheets at the top of the hoop.

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Re: Spin Clew or clueless? [Re: bobcat] #136253
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Re: Spin Clew or clueless? [Re: sail7seas] #136254
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on the spin clew?

Re: Spin Clew or clueless? [Re: bobcat] #136255
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Spin clew with 1/8" line to Sister hooks to spin sheet.

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Re: Spin Clew or clueless? [Re: sail7seas] #136256
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I would be worried about the clips catching on the spin.

Re: Spin Clew or clueless? [Re: PTP] #136257
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Here's a similar quick and easy way to do it: Get a 3' peice of spectra, dyneema, or your favorite light single braid. Splice a 3" loop in each end of it. Take your spin sheet, find the middle, pass one loop of the spectra line through the middle of the spin sheet. (I assume you are using a Robline or Mafioli type sheet, which has no cover, so you can easily pass the loop through it.) After you have passed the loop through the middle of the spin. sheet, pass the spin sheet ends through the loop, then run the pigtail back through the loop again, so it won't slip under load. You now have a spin sheet with a spectra tail in the middle, but wait, there's more!

Now, go to your boat, find the clew of your spinn, pass the other loop/end of the spectra tail through the clew, and then pass both spin sheet tails through that loop, so it is now tied to the clew. Run each spin sheet to each side and the spin blocks, and tie them together on the tramp.

So there you go, with only 3 feet of spectra, you can try the pig-tail method on your spin sheets without cutting the sheet, doing any fancy knots or splices, outside of the two 3" loops in the spectra, which is a very easy splice to do.
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Re: Spin Clew or clueless? [Re: sail7seas] #136258
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I was imagining that the knot on the tramp would require you to have longer sheets.

So, are the sister clips eye spliced in? Do you tape them to prevent disconnects during flogging? Are you using the medium size? Any failures due to shock loading?

Re: Spin Clew or clueless? [Re: Timbo] #136259
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Thanks Timbo

What you are describing seems to be what I am seeing on a lot of the F18 pics.

I have been using the ring on the back beam to tame the spin sheets ala Robi and Wouter. So I avoided having a knot on the tramp.

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I wish I could avoid the knot on the tramp because I would like a ring at the back also.
As far as Timbo's description. Let me see if I can explain my superior method better <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Spectra line about 3 feet, put eye splice in one. Take a fid and put it through the middle of the spin sheet. Put the spin sheet through the eye of the spectra. Put fid that is going through sheet THROUGH the spectra of the eye splice and run the free end of the spectra through both the sheet and the spectra itself. Pull tight. Tie the spectra to the clew of the spin. You can see this in the pic. Yes, ya gotta tie it to the spin clew but it is lightweight and easy.
In rereading Timbo's post- I think our methods are similar except for that Timbo takes the extra step of having the second loop and looping that on the clew. I like that too. I prefer, I guess, in the end to have the simplicity of just tying it to the clew. Hard to explain these things.

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Re: Spin Clew or clueless? [Re: bobcat] #136261
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The top photo is me ... I have an overhand knot at one end of my spi sheet, I then run the other end thru the spi clew grommet... around all blocks ... then back thru the spi clew grommet finishing with another overhand knot. So knots are on either side of the spi clew.


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I also use the overhand knot on both ends of the sheet at the clew after passing the line through the gromet.
I ran both sheets through a 1" plastic white ring before tying the knot at the clew.
It doesn't hang up as much and it is still very light.


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Re: Spin Clew or clueless? [Re: PTP] #136263
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I only put the second loop in the tail of the spectra so a knot wouldn't get hung up and/or untied while racing.

Now, as for running the spin sheet through the block at the rear beam, I used to do it that way, but I found myself constantly sitting on the sheet at some point, either while snuffing or raising or gybing, so to keep the sheet up at the front of the boat, I don't run it to the back of the boat anymore.

One other thing; At the Tradewind regatta, I was at the far back of the boat trimming the spin while Andi drove. At that time I had the block on a bungi at the rear beam to keep everything neet and tidy, as you guys have described. BUT, I found when I was sitting all the way at the back of the boat, I ran out of spinnaker sheet, as that block-bungi setup was pulling it sideways and taking up too much of the lazy side of the sheet. So in-between races, I untied the block from the bungi and it was much easier to trim without the block pulling on it.

Now mind you, this was with my spin sheets set up like Terry's above, tied at the clew, not on the tramp as I just described in the pig-tail set up. I don't know which setup I will stay with, but I like to try different things and see if they work. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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The spin sheet is one piece with a loop on each end. Take both loops up towards the clew then take a piece of 1/8 spectra with a loop in one end and run it through the larger loops and back through itself and tie end to clew.

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Makes sense to me. No big knots to snag. Do you use a bowline to the clew with the spectra or some other knot? Just curious as that knot could be a bear to untie.

A pet peeve of mine is the chute not snuffing completely - even when fully "snufffed". I see the Layline F18 has the line from the clew to the snuffing line to help get the chute packed away nicely. I gotta do that sometime.....

BTW... the Layline F18 is beautiful. Take a close look if you ever get the chance. I had to check it out while on the beach, as I never got close enough on the water. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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Agreed ... the graphics on the Layline make that boat REALLY FAST too. Gotta' get some like that!


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A bowline works fine. The retrieval line goes through a ring tied to a line and then tied to the clew. This helps pull the spin sheets in the snuffer so they don't drag in the water. Alex Shaffer showed this to me.

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Agreed ... the graphics on the Layline make that boat REALLY FAST too. Gotta' get some like that!


Jake Kohl did the design and graphics. Jake is one talented dude. We have something new for the starboard side at Spring Fever <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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A bowline works fine. The retrieval line goes through a ring tied to a line and then tied to the clew. This helps pull the spin sheets in the snuffer so they don't drag in the water. Alex Shaffer showed this to me.


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