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constructor regatta #140664
04/20/08 04:49 PM
04/20/08 04:49 PM
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1.june (this year) in Venice( Italy)
rulles are simple

make you own sail boat
with your plans
max leight is 10ft

i intend to be there with my own <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

problem: dont have one jet(just heard the news), any idea would be appreciated

thank you

i forgot the LINK

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Re: constructor regatta [Re: igorn] #140665
04/21/08 03:52 AM
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10 feet ehh ?

This is what I would give a shot.

Make a basic 3 chines hulls from flat panels with curved sides. Each two opposing panels are mirror image from eachother. Should get a nice shallow V keel line so the boat may plane down wind. Stuff the keel with foam to give it positive floatation and may get an open stern that will shed water.

Put a lugger rig on it. Such a rig can easily be done without stays as you don't need alot of mainsheet tension to keep the leech tight (=pointing). Luff tension and kicking strap is also already taken care of by the basic lugger design. The mast, boom and top spar are not highly loaded (as there is very little mainsheet tension) and you don't need an impressive mainsheet block setup. 2:1 or 3:1 is more then enough. Additionally with a large top spar you can really get same decent sail area on that boat with a low centre of effort which would make you go fast. And the sail will behave alot like a square top sail but will not need any battens and the sail itself is very easy to shape using maybe 2 or 3 broad seams. Their no real high stress points in the sail and that removes the need for many sail reinforcements. When you know the right shape and place of the broad seams then you should be able to make this sail from any stiff section of cloth within 1 or 2 hours.

The sail shape will be very good on one tack, and a little less so on they other because of the propertie that the lugger sail is to one side of the mast, hence the name lugger sail. For longer stretches the crews used "to lug" the sail around the mast to gain some additional efficiency on the "off-tack". But despite this single drawback the lugger sail is very efficient on average even when not lugged around and increadibally simple to build. For example their are no goose necks, sail tracks, luff pockets or fancy sail shaping techniques. At a time the lugger rig were banned for small boats by law some centuries ago in European countries as they tended to be used by smugler and with it it they could outrun and outpoint the much larger navy ships that were still largely square rigged. Only with the advent of the large sloops could the Navy catch these small smugler vessels (often less then 20 feet). Also the lugger rig is very quick to hoist and lower (incl. the mast) and the smugler vessels could transform themselves from an easily visible boat with a sail into a rowing skiff without a mast that could easily hide among rock formations or just lay flat on the water. Again the sail area on a lugger rig is relatively large so these small boats could get very good speed in addition to having good pointing ability

The lugger rig is a rig with a bad name that it doesn't deserve. It is a very intriquing rig with some very strong advantages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugger

Go for the type with a boom. And don't go for one of the types that try to mimic the Bermuda rig. go to the wikipedia page above and look at the first picture of the boat Reaper. Get the rig that is front and at a full length boom on the bottom of the sail. Don't get the one on the rear as that has negated some of the construction and aerodynamic advantages by trying to be more like a gaff rig.

Good luck !

Wouter

Last edited by Wouter; 04/21/08 03:57 AM.

Wouter Hijink
Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild)
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Re: constructor regatta [Re: Wouter] #140666
04/21/08 05:09 AM
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if i understand wright this rig will be similar to optimist ?
thank you for wonderful idea and detailed instructions

igor

PS in Venice there will be a multihull regatta i think all multihulls together <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Last edited by igorn; 04/21/08 05:11 AM.
Re: constructor regatta [Re: igorn] #140667
04/21/08 06:44 AM
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if i understand wright this rig will be similar to optimist ?


No.

In fact it is very much different in the way the forces are transmitted from the rig to the boat itself and that is one of the main advantages of the lugger rig. You can get the sail to be a tight as a drum but not really load the mast up in bending. The latter is what allows very good sail control and very lightweight construction. This is turn allows the rig to be very big without encountering any building constrains.

So in some aspects it may look alot like the optimist rig but in the important aspects it is very different. It does share that property with the optimist rig where it is aerodynamically more efficient on one tack compared to the other. But this difference is really not that big; it is very much acceptable especially for simple homebuid rigs.

Additionally the lugger rig with end the top of the sail into a triangular shape which is rather good to cut down on tip vortices, the optimist rig is VERY square like. Again the two rigs are very different from eachother in several aspects.

But the best feature of the lugger is that in its "balance(d) version" the single downhaul tackle sets both the luff tension and basic luff tension (and therefor twist) and it can also be run squarely downwind where the extremely simple mainsheet almost lays perfectly horizontal. Upwind the mainsheet increasing become vertical and add leech tension that is also converted to luff tension by the spar protruding more passed the mast then the boom. This make the leech stand up and keeps the luff taught (no flutter). As such this rig can be trimmed pretty well for downwind, reaching (tight but lots of twist) and upwind (tight and tight leech) using only 1 downhaul tackle that it set once and forgotten and a very simple mainsheet. The trick to this is the placing the downhaul tack and thus implicately the length that the boom protrudes in front of the mast. This place can altered on the beach to get the right combination for the conditions of the day. The rest is all pretty much automatic. You don't have nearly as much control on an Optimist rig.

Again , when build and set right the lugger rig is a pretty attractive rig as it combines alot of control and thus pointing and speed with an increadibally low stressed and easily build setup. When done with sailing you just drop the sail, put spar and boom along side eachother and place the mast section next to them and roll the lot in the sail itself and you are ready to go. The sail can stay permanently attached to the spar and boom. If the rig is not too large in area (say below 10 sq. mtr.) then you don't even need a halyard. You can just fix the spar to the top with some flexible joint then pretension the rig when it is lay flat on land (pull the free hanging boom down with downhaul that is attached to lower mast section) and step it into the support structure in or on the hull. This can even be done while on the water.

Again, it was all these advantages that made the lugger rig so popular with smugglers. It was such a practical rig with surprisingly good sailing characteristics (pointing and speed). It has only one real drawback and that is that is has a favoured tack and an unfavoured tack aerodynamically. But for longer stretches this was not an issue as the crews would just drop the sail very quickly and hoist it on the other side of the mast to make the new tack aerodynamicall favoured. On smaller lugger rigs, below 10 sq. mtr. I guess, this was a job of a few seconds. For much shorter legs like in a race the aerodynamic disadvantage doesn't seem to be large enough to be really an issue. In this way it is just like the optimists.

Wouter


Wouter Hijink
Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild)
The Netherlands

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