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Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: windswept] #151691
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I'm just curious, but why does everyone seem to think that they have to go to smaller boats to singlehand?

I know plenty of people who single hand the bigger boats. Aside from capsize recovery, I see no disadvantage to single handing a bigger boat.

If I'm really pushing the boat hard, it's during our Sunday fleet races. We always have a crash boat on Sundays, so I've got plenty of help getting it back up.


Ryan - H16 I prefer to go sailing because baseball, football, tennis, and golf only require 1 ball!
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Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: Ventucky Red] #151692
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I have tried to find the perfect boat but have not. At present this is where I am.
It is an old Tiger Shark twin trap 18' boat the rig of which I have cut down by five feet for one man use.
Boat weighs 110 kilos, mast is only 25 feet and easy to put up and down solo and beats an H17 square top on all points of sail and I am not even trapping on it yet!....have not found other, faster boats to test it against yet....am about to fit a code X hooter.
It is very happy to take a second person for cruising.
Sails are by Chip Buck, thank you Chip..they are great value.
I know it is not a class racer but it is fast, it is easy to move around and it is a blast and with the brand new sails it owes me under 2K and nobody wants to steal the mast! : )

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Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: Tri_X_Troll] #151693
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I know plenty of people who single hand the bigger boats. Aside from capsize recovery, I see no disadvantage to single handing a bigger boat.


Hi Ryan

Bigger boats have alot more sail area... and that means a lot more horsepower in heavy air... throw in a HUGE spinnaker... and you need raw weight and muscle

I sail solo and using a spin in even light air takes 3 hands .... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: ] #151694
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Interesting discussion. I am going the opposite direction as I do not want to sail alone. And since all up crew weight will be at least 380lbs and we want to race somewhat competitively, a bigger platform that is not as sensitive to weight is our choice.


Race cheap, race faster, Damnit!

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Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: FasterDamnit] #151695
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I'm definitely part of the trend if that's what it is.
Started moving up to bigger mono hulls from keel boats. Then I noticed I was doing more work fixing things than I was sailing. The birth and winter storage were also expensive, adding nothing to the fun of actual sailing. Besides I can confirm from my experience the sensation of sailing is inversely proportional to the size of the boat!
I bought an old Nacra 5.2 because my budget was very tight, but I probably should have bought an old "A" class because the beach handling is so much easier. Up to now i have spent less on repairs of my old 5.2 than the new stove on my old yacht cost me...

Dennis

Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: Tri_X_Troll] #151696
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I'm just curious, but why does everyone seem to think that they have to go to smaller boats to singlehand?

I know plenty of people who single hand the bigger boats. Aside from capsize recovery, I see no disadvantage to single handing a bigger boat.

If I'm really pushing the boat hard, it's during our Sunday fleet races. We always have a crash boat on Sundays, so I've got plenty of help getting it back up.

Apart from capsize recovery, there is no way I could be competative on a F18 or Hurricane 5.9 in the force 4 or 5 we regularly get here. Even a Spitfire would be a bit much downwind in 25 knots of breeze.


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Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: Tri_X_Troll] #151697
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Class rules are a big factor. In F16 there is no minimum crew weight. Also, lighter boats are easier to move around on land.

Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: fin.] #151698
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I cant imagine buying a boat because of their class rules or because they are easier to move around on land.
The difference between a 120kg or 150kg boat is too small to notice.

Lack of crew and more TOW would be big factors for me, unfortunately there is very little competition with singlehanders (Apart from a few A-cats maybe).
Lack of competition is the reason why I sold mine anyway.

Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: Tony_F18] #151699
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The difference between a 120kg or 150kg boat is too small to notice.



You'll be surprised !

My own F16 (homebuild) is 120 kg and I can even tell the difference between my own and the newer 107-110 kg F16's when handling them on land. Especially when putting it on or off the cat trax singlehandedly. The difference between lifting some 50 kg at the bow with one hand or 70 kg is significant.

Currently the F16 sailors are the only ones at my club who walk up their boats on the incline to our "harbour" all others use the electric winch. The difference between a 107-110 kg and a 150 kg in tipping it over to get to the top of the mast etc is also significant. Downside of course is that in a good blow the wind can blow it over alot easier as well. When in doubt I just flip my boat over on the beach and have it lay flat.

But I understand your other points fully. Provided racing is a big consideration for alot of sailors

Wouter


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Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: windswept] #151700
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Andrew, I sail a 15' Sea Spray

Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: Soapysails] #151701
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Gotcha, thanks

Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: Tony_F18] #151702
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The difference between a 120kg or 150kg boat is too small to notice.


My 5.5 weighs about 182 kg (400lbs) without beer! double that with beer! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: ] #151703
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Andrew,

I suppose I'm just used to light air. We're lucky to see more than 12 knots of breeze at Hueston Woods.

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I know plenty of people who single hand the bigger boats. Aside from capsize recovery, I see no disadvantage to single handing a bigger boat.


Hi Ryan

Bigger boats have alot more sail area... and that means a lot more horsepower in heavy air... throw in a HUGE spinnaker... and you need raw weight and muscle

I sail solo and using a spin in even light air takes 3 hands .... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


Ryan - H16 I prefer to go sailing because baseball, football, tennis, and golf only require 1 ball!
Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders? [Re: Mary] #151704
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Hello Mary,
I think the trend to singlehanded boats has kept the Isotope Fleet alive for some time. The other reason is that we tend to be too ugly and mean to take on other crew. But after some contemplation who would want a winey crew on your boat in the first place. Anyway Isotopes are still rocking, 32nd nationals in two weeks.

Ohh and what about these Hobie chix??? I may have been born too late.

J.P. Ayers
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I suppose I'm just used to light air. We're lucky to see more than 12 knots of breeze at Hueston Woods.


Yes in 12 knots you can single hand just about any cat... in 20... its like riding a bronco. I single handed my cat in 18-20 (mph) friday and sat... i need a massage... (but instead i will go out and sail again today).

Its only supposed to be around 10 knots today (since a front has come through) so i will get to rig my spinnaker... but even at 10 knots... after 30 minutes with it up... my hands will be cramping and hurt.... (I LOVE IT)

Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: Tony_F18] #151707
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After I passed 70, I found it a much harder to find young girls for crew so I had to go the singlehanded route. At 135 lbs and veticaly challenged, the only high tech boat that I can get on and off the trailer, rig and get to the water is the A class. The down side is, now I seem to get a lot of bad decisions from my crew.

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After I passed 70, I found it a much harder to find young girls for crew so I had to go the singlehanded route. At 135 lbs and veticaly challenged, the only high tech boat that I can get on and off the trailer, rig and get to the water is the A class. The down side is, now I seem to get a lot of bad decisions from my crew.



Chicks still dig you, Gordon! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> They just can't catch you in that new-fangled A-cat thingy....


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This trend, if true, would seem to help promote the F14.


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Re: A trend toward smaller boats and singlehanders [Re: CHAS] #151710
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The F14 must be cold to sail as I've travelled everywhere this winter and still havn't seen one <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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