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Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: new2sailin2] #152331
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Good for PU he has put in a request for redress for the ARG guys. Shows that when he makes a mistake he is big enough to stand up.


I don't know about the rest of you, but I would not expect anything less from PU. You don't get to his level by accident.

Mike

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Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: arievd] #152332
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Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: ncik] #152333
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To Dave Carlson: Tornados are live on Tues, the laser medal races will be on monday. Anna in good shape possible Gold. best Gary Jobson

"Dave Carlson" <dacarls@gmail.com> wrote:


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Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: dacarls] #152334
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Has there been any video footage of Tornados on the NBC online site? I've scanned through all of the replay videos and haven't seen any Tornado races.

With Gary's comment, does that mean live on NBC tv.


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Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: MarkW_F18] #152335
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Once again, the only course (of the five) that is covered on TV is the Alpha course.

The only day that the T's were on it was the first day of their racing (8/14). The brilliant minds decided to cover the Stars that race (they share the course with the T's and start first).

The next chance to see the T's will be their medal race - on Thursday, 8/21.

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PU is running Course E, correct? Meaning, he is not just running races for Tornados, but all fleets that have rotated through Course E over the whole regatta?

Wasn't there some big issue about the T-class only wanting PU to run their races? Seems like someone else would be running them when they're on Course A.

Mike

Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: mbounds] #152337
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Once again, the only course (of the five) that is covered on TV is the Alpha course.

The only day that the T's were on it was the first day of their racing (8/14). The brilliant minds decided to cover the Stars that race (they share the course with the T's and start first).

The next chance to see the T's will be their medal race - on Thursday, 8/21.


From the email from Gary Jobson above, looks like the T's will be on A course Tuesday and be covered...now does Tuesday mean in China & Monday in the USA? Guess I'll have to watch to be sure!


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Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: Tornado] #152338
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From the email from Gary Jobson above, looks like the T's will be on A course Tuesday and be covered...now does Tuesday mean in China & Monday in the USA? Guess I'll have to watch to be sure!


Gary Jobson is an idiot (whoops, did I say that out loud? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />)

All the medal races are on the Alpha course.

The Laser Men / Women's medal races are Tuesday.
The RS:X Men / Women's medal race are Wednesday.
The Star and Tornado medal races are Thursday.

No T's on TV until Thursday.

Qingdao is 12 hours ahead of Eastern time, 9 hours ahead of Pacific time. It's Tuesday there already.

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PU is running Course E, correct? Meaning, he is not just running races for Tornados, but all fleets that have rotated through Course E over the whole regatta?

Wasn't there some big issue about the T-class only wanting PU to run their races? Seems like someone else would be running them when they're on Course A.

Mike


The RO's generally stay with their classes, not with a specific course. PU was assigned the 49er's, Stars and Tornados. When the 49er's overlapped with the Stars and T's, they went to another RO (Luigi for the medal race).

PU has had a lot of problems with his crew and equipment.

Here's PU's report from Sunday's extreme races:
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On our course we had 18 to 22 all day from the East.

On the way out to the course, against the wind and waves, we took on a lot of water and were sinking. We being the signal boat. Anyway, we were about five miles up the course when we discovered about a foot of water in each hull. In the bow down, stern up position, we looked like a submarine in the dive mode.

Needless to say we did some serious bailing, turned downwind and headed for the harbour with L, Star and Tornado flags flying. We made in and took another signal boat that was on a lay day.

AP was hoisted ashore and dropped at 1200.

My driver was so scared he would only go 2 knots back to the course. This sparked some rather colorfull language from the short, fat, bald man[=PU].

When we got back to the area all the competetors were waiting, We arrived with 16 minutes to the new scheduled start, anchored with 170 meters of chain/line and got into the sequence. Unfortunely we had to AP because of visability. The rain squalls were brutal. After it cleared somewhat we noticed that the pin boat was favored. Guess who was drifting. 20 meter depth. 170 meters of chain and line and we were drifting. We then ran ito the problem of not being able to raise the anchor. Won't go into it, just to say we drifted about 7/10th of a mile. By the time we got back into racing mode, the wind had shifted 90 degrees.
I will spare you the rest,but we did get in one race wherein two Stars broke masts. One of the gates drifted, etc.

Our signal boathas been retired. (There will be a burial ceremony as soon as we can find a stick of dynamite)

Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: mbounds] #152339
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Gary Jobson is an idiot (whoops, did I say that out loud? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />)


That is no secret Matt. Good call.


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Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: Mugrace72] #152340
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Holy chalupa. Good thing PU is retiring. That's way too much stress for any one individual to have to endure...

Mike

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I don't see that we have anything to lose, so why not send Jobson's boss a nasty email complaining about the poor coverage.

Like the 49ers, we have big bright spinnakers and offer lots of thrills and spills in big air. Jobson's philosophy is sort of like NASCAR running '50s technology. GJ may not approve of "demolition derby" but the fans seem to love it, especially when the crews keep trying after all is lost!

Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: fin.] #152342
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GJ may not approve of "demolition derby" but the fans seem to love it, especially when the crews keep trying after all is lost!


That makes for great spectator appeal. The "old guard" wishes you still had to retire if you fouled someone or hit a mark.

Remember, the 360 rule came from Hobie.

Why have self-bailing boats if you don't expect to recover from a flip?

In the old days you just sat there and bailed with a bucket, or...in the case of a Star which SANK...you hoped someone would pick you up!

Don't Stars still sink???

Talk about unseaworthy.

....and I love Stars...just want to set the record straight.


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Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #152343
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Most people detest change. It causes discomfort. What they don't realize is that the discomfort is temporary.

Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: fin.] #152344
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Like the 49ers, we have big bright spinnakers and offer lots of thrills and spills in big air. Jobson's philosophy is sort of like NASCAR running '50s technology. GJ may not approve of "demolition derby" but the fans seem to love it, especially when the crews keep trying after all is lost!


To illustrate the point, guess which video is linked to the main homepage of NBC Olympics?
49er video

It was also featured on this afternoon's MSNBC TV coverage,so despite what Jobson and the rest of the fossils say, this stuff sells!


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Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: Tornado] #152345
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OK, the T's just started race 8...nothing on the NBC site shows a T event for today...they never got around to changing the schedule for putting on races during the lay day.

Race course is again E, so no video. Only rounding reports I can find are on the ISAF olympic site
Race 8 Coverage

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Once again, the only course (of the five) that is covered on TV is the Alpha course.

The only day that the T's were on it was the first day of their racing (8/14). The brilliant minds decided to cover the Stars that race (they share the course with the T's and start first).

The next chance to see the T's will be their medal race - on Thursday, 8/21.


From the email from Gary Jobson above, looks like the T's will be on A course Tuesday and be covered...now does Tuesday mean in China & Monday in the USA? Guess I'll have to watch to be sure!


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Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: Tornado] #152346
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USA 5th to the first mark in 7-8 kts...maybe Chupacabra is hanging tough today <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: Tornado] #152347
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Race 8 looks like it has been APed after the secnd lap?????


Re: Olympic Tornado TV Coverage??? [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #152348
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How many heats needed to count as a series? Do they need to get any more than the 7 so far completed? Medal race is set for Thursday (China time).


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Looks like a 180 degree wind change.


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T_A, thank you for reporting and commenting. Much appreciated!

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