Eric,
Check your messages.

Bill

Folks,
Curious conversation about the I20 mast.
I would be interested to find out:
1) how long this mast is and
2) how much the blank carbon stick weighs?
Appreciate it if someone can satisfy my curiosity?

Regards,
Phill

Actually we have a fleet over in Europe and would like to get in touch with our US colleagues again. Just visit us on http://www.18ht.ch and forum.18ht.ch. Cheers.

just purchased US 22 and trailed it back to Indy, another boat just bought Fla going to Mi

BOUGHT US 22 ANYONE KNOW WHER BILL VINNING , CT WENT , ORIGINAL OWNER US 22, AM 3RD OWNER, HAVE QUESTIONS FOR EXPERT ON JAV2

there are other people around that know the jav2 as well. captaincardiac has one and I co-owned it with him at one point.
btw... where in Michigan? I am outside of detroit and sail on lake st clair

I bought #4 from Jamie Diamond (original owner) this summer. He and I live in Central Ohio.
I would like to talk with Bill Vinning as well. I am giving serious though to widening to 10 or 11' and making an 18 sq out of it. Spinnaker rigged that is. Concerned about beam thickness/dimensions. Anybody care to chime in?
Very cool boat!! Very cool!

i know vinning widened his some- but I think he only did it to 8'6. the boat will get pretty pitchy if you widen it a lot more. there isn't a whole bunch of volume in the bows

Yeah, Bill bought new carbon beams, I think he went to 9', and recommended no more. I agree that the bows don't have enough volume to go much wider. He also raised the rear beam, another good mod. If you can't get a hold of him, pm me, I have a bunch of great correspondence from him re this boat I could pass on. I probably have his email/phone # here somewhere......



Dave
HT # 9

Dave, anything you have would be great. Carbon beams would be nice. Thanks!

I had #24, and it was completely re-built with the W1000 in mind. Replaced all of the aluminum bits with carbon - except the beams. Had them on order, but the W1000 rules came out and specifically denied the use of carbon beams. Guck daggerboards and rudders, reinforced transoms and daggerboard trunks. Beefed up all of the attachment points with additional carbon layup. Also added more carbon to the mast track area to support the Smythe mainsail with reef points. I sold #24 down to the Panama City Beach area, don't know if it's still down there. I think it was destined to be a pleasure sailer...

the one absolutely required mod is raising the rear beam. some people had carbon risers made. we made some aluminum ones.

To the fella who said he'd make the HT into a Square:

the 18 Square refers to 18 square meters of SAIL AREA. Beam is not restricted.

You will certainly not be 18 Square compliant with a spinnaker, and I'm not sure what the TOTAL sailarea of the 18HT is, I expect it's more than 18 square meters which is 193 sq ft as I recall, and you will not be legal in the Square class.

18 Square box rule is pretty much this: maximum 18 sq mtr sailarea in any configuration, 5.5 mtr maximum boat length, beam not restricted. If all up boat weight is less than 330 lb, you are Category 1, and if more than 330 lb you are Category 2.

18Ht sail area is 20 sq meters. same sail area (or very similar) to the N20

http://www.18ht.ch/design-en.html

Tommy Granger (re)- built a nice one in the Clear Lake/Houston area. Maybe he'll cjhime in.

I widened my HT to 8' 6", I was going to 9', but then decided not to, I didnt want to worry about trailering it. I got beams from Forte, www.forterts.com, they sell them in 10' lengths, so I had some extra which I made risers from for the rear beams. This worked out great, and now I have a backrest to lean on when I am driving. All the other systems work perfectly with the wider beams, including the rigging. The only consideration is the tramp, which i will need to be widened, and I had replaced the tramp with a new one that laced up on the sides. Kinder can make you a "Acat style" tramp and I can suppy pictures if you need them to give to kinder. www.kinder-industries.com

Bill

By the way, 8'6" is plenty wide, I wouldnt go any wider, the boat is right on the edge of stuffing the bow at 8'6". If you go 10ft wide it will be a pitchpole machine and it will be a pain to trailer.

I'm getting the itch to have a HT reunion. Anyone interested? How about this winter in Florida?

Wayler,
Did you buy #22 from the French dude in Long Island? I dont think he sailed it much.

Bill

Bill, you should hold your HT Reunion at Tradewinds, Key Largo, mid January. That is where Randy and WF first introduced the Jav 2 many years ago, so it would be a "full circle" moment.

One question about tramps...I notice when I'm sailing upwind in good breeze on one hull, my tramp is bowing upward as the wind is getting under it, is that "a good thing" ie, is that providing some upward lift on the low hull, ala curved dagger boards, or is that just drag and hurting my righting moment?

Is that why a lot of the A cats have gone to the lace up tramps, with large open slots on each side? Are they designed to allow that wind under the tramp to escape and not lift up the high hull?

Timbo,

Bowing tramps are just creating more drag. What exactly is high wind? The tramps may bow up at some point (say >20 kts), this is hard to avoid unless you make the tramp super stiff. I would say the bigger problem with a loose tramp is reduced stiffness between the two hulls more than anything else.

A-Cats and other boats have gone to the lace up tramps so they can get some big tough guys to yank as hard as possible on some zero stretch FSE Robline and get a super stiff tramp, good for other activities besides sailing....