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[Re: Timbo]
#158707 10/30/08 10:47 AM 10/30/08 10:47 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | You've presented your case, I still feel there is still enough wiggle room for the kid to sail. If one person says no, then it's not that kind of regatta.
Please keep in mind not everyone views every regatta the same way. Some may be quite casual about a regatta and yet others may take it very seriously. If it's in the SI, then you need to follow the SI.
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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[Re: David Ingram]
#158708 10/30/08 10:51 AM 10/30/08 10:51 AM |
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. Timbo
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Does anyobody have a copy of the Wildcat SI's? I never got one, so If anyone has one, could you please post them or send it to me or PM or something.
Thanks.
Tim the cheater, soon to be a drunken power-boat operator, and if you think I'm going to move out of the way for a friggn' sailboat, forget it, all us power-boaters know all sailors are dicks and only zig-zag like that to piss us off!
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[Re: Timbo]
#158711 10/30/08 10:56 AM 10/30/08 10:56 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Does anyobody have a copy of the Wildcat SI's? I never got one, so If anyone has one, could you please post them or send it to me or PM or something.
Thanks.
Tim the cheater, soon to be a drunken power-boat operator, and if you think I'm going to move out of the way for a friggn' sailboat, forget it, all us power-boaters know all sailors are dicks and only zig-zag like that to piss us off! I don't how to respond to that.
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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[Re: David Ingram]
#158717 10/30/08 11:26 AM 10/30/08 11:26 AM |
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,382 Essex, UK Jalani
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Posts: 1,382 Essex, UK | Are the rest of us missing something here? There seems to be animosity over quite an innocuous issue....
This is an issue that has been around for as long as I've been involved with sailing and that's almost 40years!!! I can remember many regattas/open meetings where crew changes have been necessary/requested - sometimes permission is gained, sometimes it's not. Sometimes people didn't ask and suffered the consequences, sometimes they got away with it. There's no real hard and fast rule, nor do I think there can be.
If you've asked and one person out of a whole bunch has refused, it's then up to you to sail or not as you see fit and risk a protest - sometimes the naysayer will just leave it alone.
I think this situation has pretty well been covered, changing rig config AFTER a regatta commences is a straight No No. Changing config during something like a club series is a grey area, personally I don't see it as a big deal - I guess it depends on the club, where you finish and what your competitors are like (there may even be an established local practice).
I have no problem at all with Dingram or anyone discussing this issue here but it is not a uniquely F16 problem. And I don't see why you're getting so heated over this Tim - noone's accused you of cheating (or as I said at the top, have I missed something?)
Happy sailing, guys!
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[Re: fin.]
#158720 10/30/08 11:38 AM 10/30/08 11:38 AM |
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Posts: 2,921 Michigan | I don't really want to share the water with the people who constantly attack me. In that regard, "Tradewinds" may be out for me. There are three or four people who attend that I just don't want to be around. AMEN to that. I don't feel like racing if it is around certain people. The problem is the one I don't want to be around is usually there! Would love to be around GYC though, seems to have anice mix of laid back people there. Oh well, much rather enjoy sailing by myself than deal with the arrogance of trying to race with some. At least the M20 is out of action for a little while.... couldn't have happened to a nicer guy!
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[Re: Jalani]
#158726 10/30/08 12:06 PM 10/30/08 12:06 PM |
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. Timbo
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Sorry John, some of our U.S. sarcasm just doesn't translate well. Kind of like telling someone over there to "Get Stuffed!", Over here that means to eat at Pizza Hutt ;^)
This whole topic is about one or two particular guys, who shall remain nameless, who are trying to start some -stuff- because they don't like the F16 class, or I should say, don't like losing to an F16. And Ding is -not- one of them, I like Ding but I think he is speaking for them.
But that's all it is, and it's local to us, so please don't take offense. I am intentionally blowing it out of proportion so we can settle it as soon as possible.
And I really did have a power boat guy tell me all sailors are A-holes who only zig-zag to piss them off. And he was serious, he had no idea why we need to tack.
And while I'm here (I've got to leave soon) let's take it to the next step as Pete has just brought to light what is going to eventually happen, I fear. Let's say you have one guy who continually shows up at every local regatta and goes about protesting evey little thing that he feels is not in the rule book or is but nobody knows about, or relly cares about and generally makes life miserable for some of the others.
And let's say people are turned off by that, and pretty soon they stop coming, as Pete has pointed out, it's going to happen.
And then one day there is a regatta, and the -only one- who shows up is the one guy who loves to protest, well, Happy Racing, you jackass.
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[Re: Timbo]
#158728 10/30/08 12:20 PM 10/30/08 12:20 PM |
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 145 Cheshire, UK Simon
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Posts: 145 Cheshire, UK | Well, at our club we even allow people to sail different boats during the course of a club race series (over several weekends). I don't think anyone has ever exploited that option tactically - it always comes down to crew availability. So if you find yourself in Cheshire, you'd be welcome to join us at Dee SC!
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#158731 10/30/08 12:32 PM 10/30/08 12:32 PM |
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. Timbo
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Thanks for the invite, I always did like it over there and one day I hope to make it back. I can't for the life of me figure out why any local "Fun" type regatta has to be such a pain in the butt, I guess some people just take themselves too seriously. For me, it's about learning, sailing and drinking, and getting away from the wife for a day or two! It's not about the trophy, or lack thereof.
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[Re: Timbo]
#158732 10/30/08 12:45 PM 10/30/08 12:45 PM |
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Posts: 893 | Thanks for the invite, I always did like it over there and one day I hope to make it back. I can't for the life of me figure out why any local "Fun" type regatta has to be such a pain in the butt, I guess some people just take themselves too seriously. For me, it's about learning, sailing and drinking, and getting away from the wife for a day or two! It's not about the trophy, or lack thereof. I reckon the above sums pretty much why I like the F16 scene, its full of laid back people who enjoy the racing as much as socialising, perhaps thats why the fleets are growing so quickly. | | | Re: uni vs sloop
[Re: waynemarlow]
#158733 10/30/08 12:49 PM 10/30/08 12:49 PM |
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,718 St Petersburg FL Robi
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Posts: 2,718 St Petersburg FL | This area eliminations is going to be interesting. Too bad Team McDonald is not going them folks are scary fast!
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#158734 10/30/08 12:54 PM 10/30/08 12:54 PM |
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Posts: 2,921 Michigan | This area eliminations is going to be interesting. Too bad Team McDonald is not going them folks are scary fast! that sucks he isn't going is there a list of people who are competing?
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[Re: PTP]
#158736 10/30/08 01:04 PM 10/30/08 01:04 PM |
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,348 fin.
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You can scratch me. There isn't enough interest to warrant the time and expense.
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#158737 10/30/08 01:11 PM 10/30/08 01:11 PM |
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Posts: 2,921 Michigan | hmmm... I wonder who will win with his sweet rating? I hope they send the numbers to the committee
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[Re: Timbo]
#158738 10/30/08 01:13 PM 10/30/08 01:13 PM |
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Posts: 439 Memphis, TN | I can't for the life of me figure out why any local "Fun" type regatta has to be such a pain in the butt, I guess some people just take themselves too seriously. For me, it's about learning, sailing and drinking, and getting away from the wife for a day or two! It's not about the trophy, or lack thereof. I don't know how far you are away from Juana's, but that regatta is all about being laid back. It's so laid back that if you protest, it's kind of frowned upon. At least that's what my initial experience is with it. They also have a spring regatta called "Island fever" I believe. I haven't been to that one, but it's basically the same as the one in the late Summer/Fall. After I get my boat and if I can't make it to the GYC invitationals, I'm going to try to make it to the Spring and the Fall Juana's. Just because it is FUN!!!! Mike
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#158741 10/30/08 01:51 PM 10/30/08 01:51 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Do you have any Fn' idea what you are talking about?
Based on your previous misunderstandings of ratings, rating systems ... You are clueless... Even when it's explained to you... you continue to make wrong assertions...
Now this one... You think that the PN's are being manipulated?
What an butt!
What BS evidence have you dreamed up.. that suggests that Darline is manipulating the ratings..
The only reason I bother is make sure some newbie doesn't read this BS and give it ANY credibility.
YOUR POST SHOULD BE ELMINATED BY THE F16 FORUM MODERATORS!!!!
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[Re: Simon]
#158744 10/30/08 02:08 PM 10/30/08 02:08 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Just to be clear the thread isn't about club races. Unless of course the club races have Sailing Instructions.
Tim, make no mistake if a regatta is being governed by the US Sailing rules and has an SI you can bet I expect everyone to abide by the rules of the regatta and I am speaking only for myself on that issue.
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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