The "new" F18s as you call them are no faster than the "old", what happened is that the due to the competition the crews have gone faster. (Lots of training, races, trim, experience).

The rating system you want is called the Texel Rating, no need to reinvent the wheel.
http://www.watersportverbond.nl/content.asp?me_id=468

(PTP: It was meant as a joke, its only about 7 degrees overhere!
But training will resume Nov 30th, hopefully it will not be freezing too much by then).

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But training will resume Nov 30th, hopefully it will not be freezing too much by then). [/quote]
its all good. hard to get the drift sometimes. I hate the obvious being pointed out - that we spend too much time on the computer.... but it isn't like I wouldn't rather be sailing. it is about 40 deg F here now.

correction: I see two ratings for N17s.

F17 sloop 104
Inter 17 109

Tony F18 said:The "new" F18s as you call them are no faster than the "old",

So I guess all those guys, and Hobie, are just wasting their money buying new Caps, Infusions and the New Tigers, right? And that's why we just saw -only- the two New F18's in the top 10 at the N/A's, right? And that's why Nacra has re-invented their F18 about 4 times in the last 5 years, right? Because the new ones are NOT faster, right? Get real.

Tim,
you alright? seem a little touchy today.

I've just about had it with these F18 guys who spend all their time on the F16 forum. How much time do we spend on theirs? To imply or say that the new F18's are not faster than the old is just plain silly.

And just for you there, thin skinned F18 Tony, hanging out on the F16 forum;

I'm sorry I called the F18 sailors Nazi's. If that really offends anyone, I'm very sorry.

It was a lame attempt at a joke becuse in our local fleet we do have one guy we like to call "The Nazi" and right now, he is sailing an F18, but sometimes he sails a H16 too. And he's anything but a Nazi.

He would look good on a Blade however!

You guys are wearing me out.....:)


Let's talk about something else.

How about giving me some tips that I might need for when I get my new Viper I just ordered!!!!

I can start another thread if you guys like.


I'll take them from anyone!!!


Mike

Decide if you are going to be primarily 1-up or 2, there's a big difference.

Try to keep the pointy end up! I'm dead serious! This is a whole new ball game!

Recognize that this is a more complex boat, allow more time for set-up and tear down. Robbie and Matt zip right through this, mere mortals take longer.

When you're flying the spin, always be aware of the main sheet. It acts as a back stay. If it comes loose, you could break your mast.

Be very clear in your mind about the righting drill, you'll need it.

A new thread is probably a good idea. Timbo and I sometimes get carried away!

Congratulations on the new boat! You're gonna love it!!

. . . And, if there's no pictures, it didn't happen!

. . . And, ATRS (Alabama Trash Righting System) carry a couple of heavy plastic bags to fill with water to help with the righting process.

Mike, congrats on the new boat. You might want to start a new thread however, I'm sure many have had enough of this. You might want to start it on the F18 forum though...they seem to know everything about everything and don't mind sharing when you are wrong.

But seriously, the Viper is a fairly new boat to market so I don't know how much knowledge is out there yet. Go with the factory settings for now.

ya know, I tried that and it was pretty difficult to do... maybe I didn't have the technique down

Thanks so Far!!!

Like I said, I'm trying to lighten it up a little bit.

It's was getting a little hot for being early fall.

I'll start another thread though.


Mike

OR SCHRS

Thanks for that Scooby, I couldn't find a Blade type F16 on there anywhere, it just says, "Refer F16" So what is that number, for comparison to the F18, which also says, "Refer F18"? Is it the same as the Spitfire, Uni and 2 up?

Formula 16 1.008
Formula 16 Cat Boat 0.982
Formula 18 1.005

Being a MEASUREMENT system, SCHRS differentiates between uni & sloop.

In practice, in the UK at least, F16s in either mode sail at 1.01 which is the same as the F18 - (1.005 rounded to 1.01).

Look at the 'Formula 16' rating, there is no separate rating for each design, there is just one rating of the box rule (interesting, knowing that the box rule doesn't limit the daggerboard area and that the area is necessary for the rating calculation...).

Anyway SCHRS values:

F16 uni 0.982
F16 duo 1.008
F18 1.005

Why isn't there two rating for the F18, one for the "big" rig, one for the "small" one is beyond me. Scooby can probably explain.

so does that mean if i buy a f16 and you guy's go to a new rating system than it will rate even faster than it does now???? i thought i could ignore all this negative stuff i see here but it looks like you guys are getting some bad karma from your actions??//

I love it when a stranger with one post come in to stir in some crap that makes no sense. Makes me wondering who created a new account...

Anyway, I'm going to answer that. SCHRS is not a "new rating sytem". It is the ISAF sanctioned rating system for small cats. It is measurement based. This is the rating system used in all civilized places for handicap catamaran racing (That was a flame bait, let's see who bites!).

Texel is another rating system, used by the Texel race once a year, which is also measurement based.

Measurement rating will never change, unless the boat changes as well. There is no 'adjustement' over time, sending of race result to a central point, and changes of rating from one year to the other based on whim, peer pressure or exceptionally good result from one guy.

For the subject at hand it is important to note that the difference in minutes after an hour of racing between .982, 1.005 and 1.008 is barely significant anyway: just a little over a minute. You are more likely to lose the race because of a really bad tack than you are from the rating...

And to conclude, handicap racing is an approximation, there is no fair way to compare apples and oranges anyway. Sail your F16 with other F16, your F18 with other F18 and see how you compare.

I'll bite, but not really. I just think we should get away from a report based system because, it's a lot of work, prone to human error, and always out of date.

So why SCHRS instead of Texel?

Use either, it doesn't really matter. They're pretty close anyway. But SCHRS is nominally the official ISAF system, whereas Texel is really only used in Holland.

hey just a guy who wants to buy a f16 and am confused, sorry if you thought it was crap. there has been a lot of disscussions about the speed rating and wanted some info. and you guys all seem to have alot of the answers, am i asking in the wrong place? or is this just angry friday?