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Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn Karl_Brogger
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | From Wikipedia, not the most trusted name in factoids, but none the less:
Some (but not all) states publish statistics indicating how many people acquire permits to carry concealed weapons, and their demographics. Reported permit-holders are predominantly male. For example, while over 60,000 women were licensed in Florida as of June 2007[update], 85% of permit holders were male in that state.[45] The number of permit-holders has been growing. Michigan, for example, reported more than 40,000 applications in a one year period.[46] Florida has issued over 1.2 million permits since adopting the law, and has had more than 400,000 currently-licensed permit holders as of June 2007[update].[47]
Distribution by age is generally proportionate to the overall state adult population. In Florida, 26% of permit-holders are in the 21–35 age group, 36% are 36–50, 27% are 51–65, and 11% are over age 65. The numbers of permit revocations are small. North Carolina reports only 0.2% of their 263,102 holders had their license revoked in the 10 years since they have adopted the law.[48]
Permit holders are a remarkably law-abiding subclass of the population. Florida, which has issued over 1,346,000 permits in twenty years, has revoked only 165 for a "crime after licensure involving a firearm," and fewer than 4,200 permits for any reason.[49]
The people who have a license aren't the ones you have to worry about.
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#161882 12/03/08 06:38 PM 12/03/08 06:38 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | “America is losing too many children to gun violence. Between 1979 and 2001, gunfire killed 90,000 children and teens in America. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)” How many of those children and teens were gang bangers? How many of them would still have guns if they were banned…how many would still be walking around on the streets without jail time after being caught with a hand gun after the ban?
Statistics are BS…you can prove or disprove anything with them depending upon how you categorize things. Definition of Statistics is “a scientific way to pass a lie as the truth”
Regards, Bob Statistics are BS? That defeats the purpose of discussion then. While I agree that the collection and presentation of statistics is vital to their validity and that they can easily be misrepresented or misinterpreted, statistics are not BS. Things like "more than 6 industrialized countries combined" are vague an not very valuable statistics since clearly the 6 industrialized countries that have been chosen could well be teeny tiny ones. Even this statistic is suspect because it could be comparing 1621 Germany to 2007 USA. It didn't say the years were the same. "In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States." These are pretty interesting statistics and seem to be pretty straight-up "America is losing too many children to gun violence. Between 1979 and 2001, gunfire killed 90,000 children and teens in America. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics) In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)" Where in the hell is Wouter?
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#161890 12/03/08 08:48 PM 12/03/08 08:48 PM |
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Posts: 291 | Interesting read. I couldn't help but notice the data on firearm deaths was from 1998. Curious what it is for 2007.
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#161896 12/04/08 12:29 AM 12/04/08 12:29 AM |
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | If somebody hold me up with a gun, I have done enough armed closed combat training in the army to not try to pull my own piece or do some funky [censored]. LOL! Did they train you to deflect a bullet with your hand? At Front Sight Fire Arms training they teach you that if your acosted on the street by a gun wielding common criminal, and he doesn't have you in his grasp, to run away in a zig-zag pattern. Your chances of being hit, if he does even attempt to shoot at you, are less than 5%, chances of that shot being fatal? Next to nothing. Too bad firearms training is not mandatory and more readily available. Waterbug obviously knows the drill. As Jeremy noted, firearms have been a part of American life right up to the baby boomer generation, especially in rural areas where even the girls were taught to handle a weapon right along with the boys. My mother-in-laws nickname is Annie Oakley.
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#161901 12/04/08 02:20 AM 12/04/08 02:20 AM |
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Posts: 4,451 West coast of Norway | At Front Sight Fire Arms training they teach you that if your acosted on the street by a gun wielding common criminal, and he doesn't have you in his grasp, to run away in a zig-zag pattern. Your chances of being hit, if he does even attempt to shoot at you, are less than 5%, chances of that shot being fatal? Next to nothing. Too bad firearms training is not mandatory and more readily available. Waterbug obviously knows the drill. Have you tried it, or do you personally know anybody who has? Good luck with it! | | | Re: great 2nd amendment video
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#161902 12/04/08 02:25 AM 12/04/08 02:25 AM |
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Posts: 4,451 West coast of Norway | My step daughter lives in a nice condo community in Orlando and the couple across her court yard had there home invaded in the middle of the day.
Where they there to rape and kill, or to steal? Hope the couple was not hurt. Would having a handgun in safe storage have helped? Would carrying a piece have helped? Sounds like that is fear talking again. | | | Re: great 2nd amendment video
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#161903 12/04/08 02:28 AM 12/04/08 02:28 AM |
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Posts: 4,451 West coast of Norway | I've seen that cenario play out first hand once, so don't address me as though I don't know what I'm talking about. I just choose not to try to impress everyone with my resume to make a point. So now I am an butt becouse I back up my opinion with my experience? I thought this was about guns, gun control and the second amendment, not me. Nice to take the man instead of the ball. | | | Re: great 2nd amendment video
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#161913 12/04/08 06:49 AM 12/04/08 06:49 AM |
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Posts: 3,348 | Rolf: Why are you so worked up over this? I would really like to know as I have come to respect your opinions.
We Americans do lots of weird ****. I eat grits for instance! But for the most part, we are pretty decent, law abiding folks.
Try this: first think of a Coyote and Roadrunner cartoon, then imagine Karl holed up in his bunker defying the 1st Armored Division!
Peace, bubba!
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#161918 12/04/08 07:16 AM 12/04/08 07:16 AM |
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Posts: 2,074 Northfield,NH USA | Hey Pete, Looks like we are going to be wrong about Gitmo closing 1st thing.... Obama Administration is making rumblings about "things not as they imagined". Apparently they are learning about the supposedly safe releasee's who end up being recaptured on the battlefield and they are concerned about the blowback if one they release turns out to be another Richard Reid or Mohammed Atta. They even seem to be changing their views on the waterboarding as well.
This is going to be interesting!
Just wondering.....How come you are worried about Rolf getting worked up but for others you are willing to buy them a beer? Says volumes.
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#161919 12/04/08 07:31 AM 12/04/08 07:31 AM |
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Posts: 3,348 | Hey Pete, Looks like we are going to be wrong about Gitmo closing 1st thing....
Just wondering.....How come you are worried about Rolf getting worked up but for others you are willing to buy them a beer? Says volumes. Who is this "we" you speak of? Rolf doesn't propound psuedo-conservative, "I shouldn't have to pay taxes" and "the world owes me a huge proift so I can be rich like Bill Gates" nonsense. You and your fellow travelers have damn near ruined the Country! You get no quarter from me! | | | Re: great 2nd amendment video
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#161921 12/04/08 07:51 AM 12/04/08 07:51 AM |
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Posts: 2,074 Northfield,NH USA | Rolf doesn't propound psuedo-conservative, "I shouldn't have to pay taxes" and "the world owes me a huge proift so I can be rich like Bill Gates" nonsense.
Would you mind explaining WHO you are quoting here and WHEN that was said? I'm certain you will be exposed by your inability to do so. I'd also like to know what group you are classifying me with that has "damn near ruined this country". I have NEVER been in Congress!
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#161922 12/04/08 07:55 AM 12/04/08 07:55 AM |
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Posts: 3,348 | You didn't say those things? My bad.
The next time you "hoist a glass", think of Willie Horton.
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#161924 12/04/08 08:17 AM 12/04/08 08:17 AM |
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Me thinks you've been "hoisten" them early and often.... Please don't drive today.
Greg
(What Michael Dukakis has to do with this I'll never know)
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#161927 12/04/08 09:47 AM 12/04/08 09:47 AM |
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | At Front Sight Fire Arms training they teach you that if your acosted on the street by a gun wielding common criminal, and he doesn't have you in his grasp, to run away in a zig-zag pattern. Your chances of being hit, if he does even attempt to shoot at you, are less than 5%, chances of that shot being fatal? Next to nothing. Too bad firearms training is not mandatory and more readily available. Waterbug obviously knows the drill. I'm a reactive/snap shooter. Last spring I was having a hay day shooting pocket gophers near my shop from the pickup, (they don't pay any attention to vehicular traffic and stay above ground), I was using a .22 pistol, fired at it two or three times and didn't hit it. The little sucker took off running finally, he was twice as far away as when I started, and I dropped him full run. LOL I'm the same way shooting clays, if I gotta aim at a moving target, I'm going to miss most of the time. Just hope the thief isn't like me I guess.
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#161929 12/04/08 10:49 AM 12/04/08 10:49 AM |
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | let's look at it this way, depends on your mindset
when approaching or being approached by a "homeless" person on the street asking for money do you?
a) give him a couple of bucks b) give him $5 c) give him $10 d) oh dammit, I've gone totally plastic, I'll give him the $25 gift card I just bought for my niece.
when approaching or being approached by a "vagrant" on the street asking for money do you?
a) offer him a ride to the soup kitchen b) offer him a ride to rehab c) offer him $20 for raking leaves in your yard for a couple of hours d) keep walking because you already know the answer to a), b) and c)
So...this poor guy, with a gun, needs your wallet, watch and car keys worse than you do and you willingly hand it all over. Then this crack head, jerk pops you in the belly anyway.
I'd play the odds.
John H16, H14
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#161933 12/04/08 12:03 PM 12/04/08 12:03 PM |
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Posts: 2,074 Northfield,NH USA | Is this the old definition of a Conservative? A Conservative is a Liberal that just got mugged....
Much the same way that a conservationist is someone who just finished building his house in the country.
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