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Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey #162856
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SA's One Design survey for 2008 has the H16 tied with the J/24 at 11th place in the top 25 One Design classes in North America. Positions were awarded by the number of boats competing in each class North American or National Championships.

Here's the rundown of boats that made the list:

1) Laser Radial
2) Lightning
3) MC scow
4) Flying Scot
5) Laser
6) Thistle
7) E scow
8) J/22
9) 29er
10) Sunfish
11) Hobie 16
11) J/24
13) Star
14) C scow
15) Butterfly
15) Snipe
17) Melges 24
18) Lido
19) Vanguard 15
20) J/105
21) Interlake
22) Albacore
23) Y flyer
24) Inter Club
25) Sonar


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Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: drbinkle] #162873
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There it is- Sheer proof - nobody in the USA sails or cares about catamarans. Straight from SA.

RE: E-scows high on the list. I betcha there are maybe 3 at their NA that are less than 4 years old.


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Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: dacarls] #162884
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Ugg. This is true. The MC scow is more prevalent in the Midwest than the H16.

Sure they can tack on a dime, they're just slow.

Now the C-Scow.....I'd consider one if I had the Cash,Crew, and truck to pull it.


Ryan - H16 I prefer to go sailing because baseball, football, tennis, and golf only require 1 ball!
Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: Tri_X_Troll] #162890
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Take a look at the list again and consider who has a national class and then count the type of sailing.... eg.
Single handed
Double handed
Three or more in the boat.

Drum roll ............. For national 2 person classes... the winner is

Double Hander National
11) Hobie 16 54
13) Star 52.7
15) Snipe 50.3
19 Vanguard 15 47.3

WAY TO GO HOBIE 16 CLASS on the three year average..... Beating out the Star Class is impressive!

(I toss the 29ner because it is a junior class in the USA)

The other take home point is to recognize that sail boat racing is indeed social... MANY of the top 25 classes are raced with three or more on the team....

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Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: dacarls] #162891
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We have three E Scows at Sail Sand Point in Seattle. The sailors and staff love them.
www.sailsandpoint.org.
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Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: H17cat] #162893
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When was the last NA's on the west coast? It's not evident in Rojer Jolly's tables.

No problem modifying the table if needed.


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Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: Mark Schneider] #162898
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
When was the last NA's on the west coast?

You mean Hobie 16 NA's I suppose. That would be 2007 in Alameda, CA.

Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: Skipshot] #162911
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In the Hobie 16 class am I correct that they only allow 56 entrants, and if they allowed more would they be higher on the list.

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Originally Posted by Hullflyer1
In the Hobie 16 class am I correct that they only allow 56 entrants, and if they allowed more would they be higher on the list.
I don't think so...although at various 16 Open's they've split into Gold and Silver fleets.

'04 (71) boats, '03 (70) boats, the highest # in last ten years was '99 with (96) boats.


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No limits for H16 NAs for BYOB events.

When there are supplied boats (such as in Ventura), there can sometimes be limits, but that's normally several times the number of boats (otherwise, with the rotations, you wouldn't get enough races per team). In Ventura, they did not get that type of turnout.

Mike

Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: Skipshot] #162954
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actually talking about the E Scows NA's... My point is that it's a regional class and MUCH easier to get to the event.

and you have to consider the NA turnout of a regional class somewhat differently then the NA turnout for a truly national class.



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Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: drbinkle] #162955
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Interesting point at this years 16 N.A.'s there was only about 7 boats that were from Division 7,which is the region that the event was held in.

Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: mmadge] #162960
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How about the Rhodes Island NA's.... bet you it turns out lower then that number! (They don't hold regattas in New England any more)

What it tells you is that the 16 class is truly national and committed to keeping the competition going. It also points to the challenge to the class to address the needs of the regional fleets.

Every class has challenges... EG. The US A class is getting some grief.... After running a maxed out 100 boat worlds in Fla.... No yanks are attending the very next worlds in Australia.... (which also maxed out participation.


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Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: Mark Schneider] #162962
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Next years 16 N.A's in Kingston ON Canada will be a real challenge to get number's as there is not even a Hobie fleet in Kingston and there will probably only be 3-4 Canadian teams at the event

Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: mmadge] #162994
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Originally Posted by mmadge
Next years 16 N.A's in Kingston ON Canada will be a real challenge to get number's as there is not even a Hobie fleet in Kingston and there will probably only be 3-4 Canadian teams at the event


and people choosing to go to the mega, or 16na's if they can only choose one.

Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: Karl_Brogger] #162997
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Don't miss the NA's in Kingston. It's one of the best places in the world for sailing.

Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: rhodysail] #163048
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There's something about a 16NAs that just shouldn't be missed. And, as Bob said, CORK is an outstanding sailing venue.

As for the A class not participating in AUS, I would imagine that between the economy in the toilet and the weaker dollar, that can't be helping.

Mike

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Partisipants list is up for next years N.A's

http://www.hcana.hobieclass.com/H16northamericans



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Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey [Re: mmadge] #163371
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There are still regattas in New England, they aren't what they used to be but there are definitely still regattas.

I wish US Sailing would take a real survey and come up with a list like this.
A couple problems I see with the list are that the Laser class has a North Americans and a Nationals... both were capped, they chose the one with less boats, NA's.
We had 130 boats at V15 Nat'ls but there wasn't a single race all weekend because of no wind, it was rescheduled and only 77 boats showed up. Had they used the original it would have put the V15 over the Hobie 16.
Obviously we all know there are more boats than who competes at NAs and each year big differences are seen depending on what region the event was held.
Given that, it is pretty cool the the 16s have such a dedicated class that are willing to travel and maybe if other classes would do that this survey would be more accurate.

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Originally Posted by wildtsail
Given that, it is pretty cool the the 16s have such a dedicated class that are willing to travel and maybe if other classes would do that this survey would be more accurate.


Todd, your definition of "more accurate" does not apply, this is how the author conducted the survey. Unless you think the numbers posted are erroneous, I'd say it's accurate for the intent of the author.

That's not to say that I'm not surprised by some of the standings (I really thought the Opti and Sunfish would be way higher).

Never underestimate the power of the Hobie 16. There are more of those boats sailing at weekend regattas than most of the other boats on the list, so if you start changing the criteria, it might actually move up on the list.

Mike

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