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#175426 04/20/09 03:13 PM 04/20/09 03:13 PM |
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Posts: 976 France | Ok, another issue for the Stealth is the tramp bolt ropes pulling out of the molded in C channels on the hulls. Oh, so this thing has tramp channels on the hulls? Okay, I guess I was wrong then. I thought all Stealth had mushrooms pins all around like mine. Anyway, as far as I know (but I've been known to be wrong before on the subject of trampoline attachment) there is no cable on the tiger trampoline, but simply some dyneema line. Some pics are available in the Tiger assembly manual: http://www.hobie-cat.net/download/manuels/tiger_gb.pdf | | | Re: Tiger tramp attachment
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#175455 04/20/09 06:25 PM 04/20/09 06:25 PM |
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Posts: 713 WA, ID, MT | Pepin, you're right, it wasn't a cable, and I was planning on using some 1/8" Vectran I have on hand. But if I pursue this route, the sailmaker needs to create some curve to the sleeve he'd be adding to the edge. Which is the measurement I'm hoping for. Tad, it's a little hare to see that pic, but I get the concept. Couldn't the rod be sewn directly into the tramp edge? But I think I'm a bit more comfortable with a system that ignores the C channel entirely. The sailmaker suggested just putting in a series of grommets down the sides, maybe 5" o.c., and lacing that to a vectran line running from beam to beam. That would eliminate the need to get the curve of the sleeve correct. I assume that if you don't get it correct it'll stress at the corners where the line enters the sleeve, or it'll pucker if there's too much curve. I'm still undecided....
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#175466 04/20/09 08:29 PM 04/20/09 08:29 PM |
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | Dave- The FXone has the same goofy setup as the Tiger. It is impossible to get the tramp tight. I was using 1/4" vectran, with a truckers hitch, then wrapping the triangle in the corners pulling them together. Not a real big deal, as it is pretty stiff even with the the tramp off, but I've grown to think that all tramps should be as tight as a H16 tramp too.
I hear you're making it out this way this summer! Whatcha bringin'?
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I'm boatless.
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#175483 04/20/09 11:31 PM 04/20/09 11:31 PM |
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Posts: 713 WA, ID, MT | So you don't like the Tiger/FX One system Karl? Other solutions? I think the A cat will find a permanent home in the garage of a house my sister and I rent out, when she's not on the water, of course. Having a boat there will make it likely that I'll come back every summer. It was always torture to be around so much water with no boat! I'm looking for the best 2 consecutive weekends in July to hang with you guys, what works for you Karl?
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#175530 04/21/09 07:27 AM 04/21/09 07:27 AM |
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | Solutions, no. I would've guessed anything was better than that, but maybe not. Broken Rudder is a nice event. Good beach, really clean water. When you hit the rock pile just off the beach like I did, you can clearly see what you hit. And thats nice. Where are we camping this year ewindsail? | | | Re: Tiger tramp attachment
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#175533 04/21/09 07:31 AM 04/21/09 07:31 AM |
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Posts: 1,203 uk | Have a sail on a tiger with that tramp 1st - worst tramp set up on the planet! Then try the Infusion/Tornado type with the mushroom screws to lace to - much better!
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#175545 04/21/09 08:30 AM 04/21/09 08:30 AM |
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Posts: 606 League City, TX | Dave- The FXone has the same goofy setup as the Tiger. It is impossible to get the tramp tight. I was using 1/4" vectran, with a truckers hitch, then wrapping the triangle in the corners pulling them together. Not a real big deal, as it is pretty stiff even with the the tramp off, but I've grown to think that all tramps should be as tight as a H16 tramp too.
I hear you're making it out this way this summer! Whatcha bringin'? Y'all need to go to tramp tightening school. 1/4" vectran is way big - 1/8" would work fine. You can run also stainless wire in there and terminate with a thimble just inside the tramp and then lace through the thimble. I do a 3:1 lacing and haul tight using a harness cross bar. That together with a couple of rounds of tightening on the rear (replacing the factory string with skinny 12 braid) and you can get the tramp tight. Chris. | | | Re: Tiger tramp attachment
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#175546 04/21/09 08:51 AM 04/21/09 08:51 AM |
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Posts: 833 St. Louis, MO, | I like a tight tramp as much as the next guy.
I'll agree with others here. The Tiger is the worst of the bunch. I had a Tiger and I could never really get the tramp tight. I've had a P19, H20, N20, and they all had better systems. In fact I think the Tiger no longer has this type of system and they switched over to mushrooms. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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#175547 04/21/09 09:09 AM 04/21/09 09:09 AM |
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | I don't think the Tiger has changed, Mike... in fact, I was surprised that the Wildcat has the same set-up. I know they were seeking to save on tooling by using as much from the Tiger as possible, but I thought the tramp would surely be changed.
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#175549 04/21/09 09:35 AM 04/21/09 09:35 AM |
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Posts: 235 | 1/4" vectran is way big - 1/8" would work fine Glad somebody said that! Thought I was missing something. 1/4" line won't tighten like 1/8" in that situation. And which of those high-strength ropes is most widely used for best results? Yale cordage has a list. Does Rick sell something like? | | | Re: Tiger tramp attachment
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#175582 04/21/09 12:29 PM 04/21/09 12:29 PM |
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | Y'all need to go to tramp tightening school. 1/4" vectran is way big - 1/8" would work fine. You can run also stainless wire in there and terminate with a thimble just inside the tramp and then lace through the thimble. I do a 3:1 lacing and haul tight using a harness cross bar. That together with a couple of rounds of tightening on the rear (replacing the factory string with skinny 12 braid) and you can get the tramp tight.
Chris. I've got some 1/8" spectra left over from a dicked up set of trap lines I'll try out. The lace on the rear bar definetly needs to be changed out to something more slippery. Actually, this might be tomorrow's project. | | | Re: Tiger tramp attachment
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#175590 04/21/09 01:07 PM 04/21/09 01:07 PM |
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Posts: 606 League City, TX | I've got some 1/8" spectra left over from a dicked up set of trap lines I'll try out. The lace on the rear bar definetly needs to be changed out to something more slippery. Actually, this might be tomorrow's project.
Stick with a truckers hitch just inside the tramp on the side lacing. Loop from the eye strap back to the truckers hitch a couple of times for purchase and then pull really tight and tie it off. You can spray mclube on the line to reduce friction a little - just avoid the end you will be tieing knots with. On the rear bar you can use a harness bar to pull upwards while you push down on the cross bar with your foot. You can get the tramp nice and tight this way if you are using a skinny line. 1/8" spectra would work well. I then use needle nose pliers to dog off the line while I move to the next section. Don't go for 100% tight in one stage - I normally do it in 3 stages to keep the tramp tension even.
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