How does a well sailed (solo sailed)F16 do competing against the Nacra F17?

Just curious.

Here is a link to a scratch sheet for 4 different rating systems.

Scratch sheets for single handers

subtract the times between any two boat you want to compare.

For USPN you would need (10 minutes - 7 min 17 secs = 2 min 43 secs to tie the F17 in beufort 2-3 for an hour race.

The table lists the real time you need to save over a 1 hour race to tie the top boat in the table.

Look at the other rating systems to form your own informed opinion!

oh no you didnt! LOL

I'm not saying a word.

That is a lot of chum in the water..... wont be long now...

SNAP!

I new it was a dangerous post but since I am working late today I wanted some entertainment, also curious.

why not: "How does a well sailed N17 do against a F16?"

all BSing aside, very similar but the N17 will win on corrected time.

actually you never specified the "competition" would be interesting to see who would win between a F17 behind an F1 and a F16 behind a Indy car...

Rephrase: will win on USPN corrected time!

Does it have a Hemi?

Craig, you thiking of getting one or the other? Truth is, they have not really been raced side by side here in the US yet to get a real comparison. We need to put Bob Curry on his F17 up against Matt on the Falcon, and Robbie Daniel on the Viper, and send them out for 6 or more races, in 20, 15, 10 and 5 knots of wind, see which does what.

And even then, it would come down to who made the most mistakes...

Even better throw in to the mix the Hobie FX1 and then run them over say fifty races with ordinary sailors ( and not the hotshots to get a more " common sailor " perspective ) and we would see a genuine result. Often a boat is only as good as when it can be sailed well by a moderate sailor. I would guess there are a couple of clubs in England which have indeed been doing that for a number of years and have a few years worth of results.

Oh by the way which variation of the N17 as there are so many it would be difficult to get a level playing field ? and if you want to do it on handicap then can we include the mast measurements and true weights unlike some of the boats mentioned.

I really don't believe there is more then 1 or 2 minutes difference between them, when both are equally well sailed around a windward-leeward course of 60 minute duration. But as Timbo writes this has never happened in real life. The EU results are also not helpful as, surprise surprise !, the EU version of the Nacra F17 is not the same as the US version ! I believe the EU version has 15 sq. ft less in the mainsail, for example.

I do really believe the F16's have the edge in such a comparison and will always have so. That is just the benefit of a true formula based class over any strict Single Manufacturer One Design class. The latter will always be trailing with regard to new developments and advances in sail shapes.

Having said all this, a 1 to 2 minute difference is pretty negligiable for any recreational racing as even relatively small differences in skill level will already result in multiples of that.

And don't look at the USPN numbers as the one for the Nacra F17 is completely off; it is rated far too slow.

Wouter

I think that the latest F17 with the Infusion mast and Performance sails will be just as fast as an F16.
(They have put quite some effort in rig development the last few years).

So too did the sailmakers like Glaser, Landenberger and Goodall for the F16 class.

Wouter

Tony, what does a US F17 weigh and how much sail area does it have, (main and spin.) and how long/wide is it?

I think if it measures in close to an F16, it should be as fast and should be rated the same.

The rest is up to the sailor, as it should be.

The F17 SHOULD win by miles as it has a gifty of a rating on USPN.

F16 on SCHRS is 0.982. WE THINK and F17 would be about 1.02 but we have not been sent a measurement certificate yet. (I have only been waiting 12 months)

The boats are equal in performance - at least close enough that the skipper/crew makes the ultimate difference in elapsed time.

I have raced against the F17 (carbon mast rig) fairly often and it is close racing on elapsed time (other F16s did this last Fall, too - I have the results somewhere). Skipper abilities slanted slightly in favor of the F17 skipper.

I have also raced against the alum wing mast version a few times. The skills of the skipper on that boat are much better than me and he beats me (F16) easily boat for boat (as he does F18s and some N20s). He believes the dfference in the rigs (alum and carbon) are negligible.

I think the right person could make either boat quicker around the race course.

I believe that there is enough open class racing in the FL Panhandle for the F17 that the USPN number will soon migrate downward to reflect reality (similar to the downward trend of the F16 USPN number).

Someone remind me which boat is the best?