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Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: ] #182173
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You're rude and obnoxious, that's the source of my hostility. If you act like an **** you deserve to be treated like one.


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Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: ] #182176
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How does the F16 Falcon affect the classes name? Or are you referring to the plane, not the F16 cat design? How would this be different to the F18 class, or is it officially called the Formula 18?

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Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: ncik] #182178
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Ncik, I was referring to the plane. F18 is officially called Formula 18 and I assume F16 would actually want to do the same.

pgp, whatever. No hostility was intended in my post. I was proposing what I believed to be a solution to what I understood people thought was a problem ie. people muscling in on the F16 idea. The reason for the numbers question was to see if we you as a class currently meet the criteria to follow up on this potential solution.

Don't get me mixed up with the people who post here looking for a fight. That is not me.

Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: ] #182186
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Language is a wonderful thing. Trying to keep up in a foreign language is even more fun laugh

The class name is Formula 16, but F16 is used as a short form just like the Formula 18 (F18) class. If you check the class website the rules refer to the Formula 16 class but the short form is indeed present there as well. Something we would want to clean up I think.

Now, there is the:
F14 Tomcat
F16 Falcon
F18 Hornet
Are there any F12 or F20 planes to add further confusion? smile

Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #182195
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F20 Tigershark smile

Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: ] #182196
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My guess is that unless we have an international copyright the name doesn't belong to us. My thinking is that anyone could copyright the term(s) "F16 catamaran" or "Formula 16" and prevent us from using it, just as ISAF can effectively prevent our use of the term "World Championship".

Obtaining ISAF sanction, I believe, costs many thousands of dollars.


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Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: pgp] #182207
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I've got the solution, we use "Euro-spelling", go with Formulae 16! I can't correctly spell half our Amercian words anyway, so it would be a blessing for me.

You Euro guys know I'm kidding, right? Actaully I am constantly AMAZED that you are all so good at our language, and I know most of you are fluent in more than 2-3 languages, it blows my mind.

When I was a kid, living way up North, they tried to teach us French, (and the Metric system!) but it didn't stick.

Then when we moved to Florida 12 years ago, the schools tried to teach my kids Spanish (or should I say, Mexican?) didn't stick with any of them either.

When I went to Switzerland and Amsterdam, I tried to learn some of their language (how do I say; I'd like a Beer please? and, Where is the Men's Room?), but I quickly found out their English is so good, there isn't a need for me to butcher their language! Really, one girl at the Zurich train station ticket office said, "Why don't you just speak English, we all do..."

Having you guys/gals (Kathleen) on our board is a great opportunity for us all to get a more World Wide view of things, thanks to all of you who are not Native English speakers for coming here and giving us a broader view.

Hey, I know my spelling's bad, but my typing is worse!


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Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: Timbo] #182227
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Aren't friendly posts good for the soul!
I think this situation with the SL16 is a bit of a Storm in a Tea Cup. Any serious Cat fan should realise the difference between them and us. I know one of the goals of the F16 General Council is to obtain ISAF recognition so hopefully it shouldn't be too long before we attain this and so ends the problem. However, I still think it was a bit cheeky of them to come up with the Title for this short promo video.
P.S As far as I'm aware the level of ISAF recognition applicable to our current Class size and structure doesn't cost a fortune, more in the region of $200 to $400 per year split between all F16 Association Members.

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Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: Mark P] #182231
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I hope you're right about the money.


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Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: pgp] #182255
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So do I Pete because ISAF aren't exactly my flavour of the month. I wish we didn't have to be "recongised" by them but then this brings us back to the point of this thread and the so called security they can offer the F16 Class and in particular the manufacturers.

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Some where along the line, I got the notion that the process to become recognized was laborious and expensive. After that the annual dues weren't terribly expensive. But, I think the upfront money is about $10k.

If I'm wrong I'll buy virtual beer for the house, all you can virtually drink! smile And submit three real public apologies.

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Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: pgp] #182282
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Pete, I had a quick look on the ISAF website:
http://www.sailing.org/categories.php
It's not very clear to me what this astronomical subscription entitles you to, maybe somebody knows? (Scooby) But it's certainly a huge amount for us here in the UK and you in the US.
Although, I am pretty certain these figures have nothing to do with Class affiliations.


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Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: Mark P] #182288
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Those prices look like national member body fees (yachting UK, yachting Aus, etc.), nothing to do with classes.

Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: ncik] #182304
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At the bottom is says classes $165

Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: ] #182309
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ah, missed that through all the other fluff.

Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: ncik] #182321
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I apologize, I apologize, I apologize! smile

I have it on good authority that the fees associated with ISAF are far less than I thought, about $2400.

The GC is looking into the matter and I'll wait for them to make a statement at the appropriate time.

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Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: pgp] #182343
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Well Shoot! If we spread that out amongst all 24 of us, that's only what, $100 each?

And for what?

I forgot already...


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smile How you doing?


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Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: pgp] #182371
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Slooowwwllly getting better.

Today she let me drive...the lawn mower.

But it's a start.

No wind, so no sailing.

But at least it's 96 degrees out there, on that lawn mower. frown

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Re: 26 teams at the Formula 16 World Championship 2008 [Re: Timbo] #182382
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96f ! You know that's 35c shocked. We're struggling to reach 20c here sick
Are there any fish in that lake ?
Come home to Oireland son and we'll look after you and make you better.
Seriously, glad the recovery is going well and you are building your strength up again.

The SL16 is the ISAF Youth Cat and is built by Nacra in the US. Another Yves Loday design, same as the Spitfire, Shadow, Shockwave, Dart 16 etc.


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