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I would say that you need to get the mast raked further back as it looks, from those pictures that it is raked forward. YOu do not want the mast raked forward!
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#184198 07/06/09 05:50 AM 07/06/09 05:50 AM |
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#184208 07/06/09 07:42 AM 07/06/09 07:42 AM |
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Posts: 144 Near SLC, Utah | You did a nice job on that 747 Freestyle.
They are great boats.
The unirig is simple and powers the boat for lots of fun in the sun sailing.
We use ours on a lake but have taken it on the 30 mile trip from San Pedro, southern California to Catalina Island.
It performs quite well in either kind of sailing.
We often sail it with a crew but it handles best as a single handing boat.
After we blew up the mast on my boat, sailing fast with several people on board, we drove to Canada to pick up a replacement mast.
The fellow was kind enough to offer a package deal which included a spinnaker set up.
He blew up one hull by folding it at the front beam when flying a mast head spinnaker, without a spreader at the base of the bridle wire.
That 474 mast is pretty light and thin walled and never intended for a spinnaker.
I think it would have been OK with a spreader.
Tom
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I would say that you need to get the mast raked further back as it looks, from those pictures that it is raked forward. YOu do not want the mast raked forward! Ya, i was going to ask about that. The forstay was that length when we picked it up. I noticed how far forward it was and it caught my attention, but then a cat owner down at my beach said that because it doesnt have a front sail it'd be fine. I still want to replace it though. Would it affect the boat's preformance a lot? | | | Re: Freestyle 474
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#184228 07/06/09 10:56 AM 07/06/09 10:56 AM | DougSnell
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#184321 07/07/09 08:18 AM 07/07/09 08:18 AM |
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Posts: 144 Near SLC, Utah | The lines I've installed to keep my rudders from banging up and down when on the mooring are pretty simple. I tied a 1/8 inch double braid line to the rudders bungie cord attachment hole. I looped the other end of the line through the intersection of the tiller and cross bar and tied a rolling hitch or taut line hitch so I could quickly slip the knot up and down the line to tighten or loosen the line that holds up the rudders without untying any knots. I leave the line attached all the time and simply loosen it when sailing and tighten it when on the mooring. Rolling hitch: http://www.animatedknots.com/rollin...og.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.comTaut line hitch: http://www.douglasbsa.com/knots/taunt.htmlOne of my next projects is to set the boat up with a spinnaker. That should add some fun in the sun. | | | Re: Freestyle 474
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#184352 07/07/09 11:59 AM 07/07/09 11:59 AM |
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Posts: 1,037 Central California | Tom, I will be at Bear Lake from July 22; if you need any crew to sail let me know. Eric
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Posts: 144 Near SLC, Utah | Eric Poulsen: It's always nice to have you drop by our Bear Lake House. It is beautiful up that way and often very nice sailing. Dave Mosely: The 474 Freestyle is a lot like a SC 17 or even the SC 15 that was in production for a few years. When mice trashed my 474 Main I couldn't locate a replacement. I eventually went to a SC 15 main with no alterations to anything. I got that sail from Aquarius Sails Inc., who still supports Supercats, RC and ARC catamarans. http://www.aquarius-sail.com/Tom Haberman is a great guy and a great resource. The only difference I've notices is the SC 15 main is a bit shorter (head to tack) than was the 474 main. However it gives me a bit more head room when ducking under the main on tacks and jibes. Both boats are great boats...and fun to sail...! I still have my SC 17... Anyway, on those slippery dagger boards...I have some friends who simply glued some indoor outdoor carpet strips to the inside of their dagger board trunks. That also helped the dagger boards to stay put. The one or two inch carpet strips were cheap, easy, lasted for quite some time and were easily and cheaply replaced. I might try that also....though I can't remember if they glued the strips virtically or just around the bottom of the trunks where they could easily reach them. It has been some time since I saw them and I don't recall...exactly. When I'm sailing it isn't much of an issue...the boards are usually down. I usaully only pull them up wehn landing. I have installed a short 1/8 inch diameter eight inch long lanyard to each of my dagger board, in additon to the 1/2 inch diameter loops that I use to pull the boards up. After the boards are pulled up and when I put the boat on the mooring I use the 1/8 diameter lanyards to tie the top of the boards to my trap lines, just above the trap line grab bars. That keeps the boards in the up position when periodically bouncing around on the mooring ball.
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Posts: 443 Edmonton, Alberta, Canada | If the boat's center of effort is in front of that dagger board line the boat has weather helm (a good thing unless taken to an extreme).
If the mast rake moves the boat's center of effort aft of that line the boat has lee helm (not a good thing at all). I believe you have these reversed. | | | Re: Freestyle 474
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Posts: 757 japan | if you want to rake your mast further aft, and it is already as far aft as the forestay chainplate allows, then you are in exactly the same situation as the hobie 16 guys about 10 years ago in their case rather than lengthen the forestay most just added a 2nd chainplate. now that hobie has realised that the hobie 16 goes better with more rake they have lengthened the forestay itself so owners don't have to add the extra chainplate/adjuster ie i suggest you add a 2nd chainplate to your forestay bridal before buying a longer forestay edit. rereading your last post it sounds as if you have NO forestay chainplate/adjuster, if that is so, get yea down to your local chandlers and get one this is what you should be looking like http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6kfFxrtYvhb5YCVHBPxSRw
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#184426 07/08/09 08:44 AM 07/08/09 08:44 AM | andrewscott
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Posts: 3,528 Looking for a Job, I got credi... | Don't bother with a forestay chainplate. use a length of non-stretch line, attach the two bridles end with a bowline, loop the line a couple of time between the stay and the bridles, tie a good knot, done. Instant solution, less hardware. If you have a mast up storage, tape the knot. Agreed. Also allows you to fine tune your rig tension. As for taping it up. ALways tape the knot up.
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#184433 07/08/09 09:36 AM 07/08/09 09:36 AM |
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Posts: 976 France | pepin, ill give that a try. It is mast up storage, but with your idea i wont even have to lower the mast. Do you have a picture of it? I'm sailing tonight, I'll try to remember to take a pic of my forestay. | | | Re: Freestyle 474
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#184478 07/08/09 12:45 PM 07/08/09 12:45 PM | andrewscott
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Posts: 976 France | I'm sailing tonight, I'll try to remember to take a pic of my forestay. I completely forgot to take a pic, but my setup is exactly the same as the portuguese turnbuckle in David's pics. | | | Re: Freestyle 474
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#216348 07/22/10 01:54 PM 07/22/10 01:54 PM |
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Posts: 11 Stoney Lake, ON, Canada | Daggerboards: When I am beaching and storing, I use the loop of rope on the top of the daggerboards and hook that over the trap handles. While sailing, I use bungee cord slipped through a piece of fabric reinforced hose - Tygon?. The hose about 6" longer than the width of the daggerboard. The ends of the bungee cord go through the supplied grommets in the trap and are knotted on the underside. Rudders: Same thing is used to hold up the rudders ... bungee cord and a piece of hose. Length of hose is about 10" long. Center the hose in the hole in the rudder and then run a length of bungee through the hose. Pass both ends of the bungee cord through the rudder tiller and tie the end together. The knot will then catch on the tiller/tiller bar bolt. I can take some close-up photos this weekend and post. Ian
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Posts: 7 | Hi, I'm trying to set up the rigging on my Freestyle 474 and was wondering if you ever got this dialed in? I'm wondering what lengths to have my mainstays at since all my rigging was stolen in a vehicle a long time ago.
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Posts: 11 Stoney Lake, ON, Canada | Okay let me try to get you the rigging information. Here is an overall view of the mast with all the rigging attached. I personally never remove any of the rigging and simply use the halyard to tie up all the wires and make it a neat package to store away in the winter. Here I have layed out the halyard which is 55' long or one foot longer than the rope doubled the length of the 27' mast. This shows the wires attached to the mast: There are 5 wires. Outer pair are the trapeze wires, the inner pair are the shrouds and the centre wire is the forestay. Trapeze Wires: These are 0.1" (3/32") diam by 205.5" measuring from thimble to thimble. So the length of the wire itself would have to be a few inches longer to allow wrapping around the the thimble and fastened with the swaged fitting. Remember to slide on a trapeze handle before terminating the wire with the thimble and swaged fitting. Shroud Wires: These are 0.13" (1/8") diam by 236.5" measuring from thimble to thimble. Shroud is terminated with an adjustable fitting or stay aduster. Forestay Wire: This is comprised of a single 0.13" (1/8") diam by 167.5" wire connected to a bridle of 2 @ 0.13" (1/8") diam by 75" wires. The connection of the forestay to the bridle is shown here. Hope that helps! Ian (No clue why the last picture won't show up ... I'll just post another followup.
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Posts: 7 | I'm curious what type of ferrules are used on your boat. I bought aluminum ones (without really thinking since it was at West Marine) years ago preparing to rig the boat, then was thinking to use Stainless, but then have been told people use nickel plated copper. It appears that's what these are.
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Posts: 11 Stoney Lake, ON, Canada | Nobrush ... need a little more info regarding your question about ferrules ... namely ... what ferrules? Does my boat have ferrules? Sorry but I must call your "ferrules" something else as I am confused as to what boat part you are referring. Cheers!
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Posts: 118 fl | The product which is used to make an Eye splice is known as: Oval Sleeve, Figure 8 Sleeve, Hourglass Sleeve, Duplex Sleeve, Ferrule, Nicos. Nobrush ... need a little more info regarding your question about ferrules ... namely ... what ferrules? Does my boat have ferrules? Sorry but I must call your "ferrules" something else as I am confused as to what boat part you are referring. Cheers!
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Posts: 807 Hillsborough, NC USA | I'm curious what type of ferrules are used on your boat. I bought aluminum ones (without really thinking since it was at West Marine) years ago preparing to rig the boat, then was thinking to use Stainless, but then have been told people use nickel plated copper. It appears that's what these are. Use copper swages (either bare or zinc-plated). Aluminum swage sleeves are not as strong and therefore unsuitable for load-bearing applications (deck railings yes - boat rigging no). Stainless steel ferrules generally need much greater pressure and require hydraulic swaging tools. | | | Re: Freestyle 474
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Posts: 7 | Thanks Isotope235. So now back to the rake. I built up all the rigging but it's raked forward a bit and I know it's supposed to be raked backward. How much and are there any pics? I'm guessing between 1-5 degrees. Also, how much slop should there be in the lines. I'm assuming that you don't want them all to be tight prior to the sail being installed.
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