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Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff #187780
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So here is my situation I have the opportunity to purchase either of these two boats with in about the same price range. The 6.0 is cheaper but in better shape, and the drive to get it will add some mullah to the price.

Here is my concern, first off I will not be using this for racing; more so for family fun sails and an occasional adrenalin romp when my west coast cousin shows up to go sailing. It will only be used in the summer months and will reside on the beach. I have read the stories of replacing the mast to the tune of many dollars for the Inter 20 as well as the rear beam separating from the boat.

If given the opportunity what would you do? Cuz is telling me to go 6.0 as he feels the boat is a better buy, I’m leaning towards I 20 as it is newer design technology and spinnaker.

So many boats so little time, what do you think?


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Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: Nimrod] #187789
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You might want to add a few more details; such as the price of the boats and reasoning for why the 6.0 is in better shape..



Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: Nimrod] #187829
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Originally Posted by Nimrod
If given the opportunity what would you do? Cuz is telling me to go 6.0 as he feels the boat is a better buy, I’m leaning towards I 20 as it is newer design technology and spinnaker.


You could add a spin to the 6.0 but....these are both racing boats.. and not really comfortable as far as i understand (never owned a nacra). I have raced against a local I20 and one of the owners just bought a 5.7 gcat as a fun boat. easier to rig, more fun vs power

Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: ] #187831
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Either boats will satisfy your need for speed. Both of them are similarly powered up in a blow. If I were you - looking for a recreational boat - I would look to other places besides these two boats. Something like a Hobie 18 would be better suited to this environment - plus a lot cheaper.

Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: ThunderMuffin] #187838
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If your paying the same for 6.0 as a N/I 20 ,the 6.0 is OVER priced. They are both race boats as said before. Light air family cruise is possible but like Tad said you'd increase your sailing options and decrease your maintenance and repair costs with something like a hobie 18. If you have any inkling of racing get the N-20.


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Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: Nimrod] #187839
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I have owned both a 6.0 and an I20. Don't be mistaken, these are both big, fast, powerfull RACE boats. While they could both be used as lake "toys", there are probably better choices out there. However, if it's one of these two your looking at, I'd say they are about equal for what you want. The I20 has a bigger, cleaner tramp (no cheese slicer running through the middle of the tramp), but the 6.0 is boomless and that may be something you like. The fun-factor the spinnaker adds on the I20 is awesome, but it takes sometime to master, and a fair bit of strength to sail with. As far as the beam issue goes on the 20, that happened to my boat. The repair is simple, cheap, and quick, and the result will actually be stronger than what you started with.


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Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #187872
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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
If your paying the same for 6.0 as a N/I 20 ,the 6.0 is OVER priced. They are both race boats as said before. Light air family cruise is possible but like Tad said you'd increase your sailing options and decrease your maintenance and repair costs with something like a hobie 18. If you have any inkling of racing get the N-20.


I would look at it like this, say the 6.0 was a 90's vintage Porsch 911 that has been pampered all its life vs. and the Inter 20 a newer Ferrari that has been used and abused, raced and raced hard while being marginally maintained. My decision would be to go with the boat in better shape.

Which would you buy?

Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: Ventucky Red] #187880
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Originally Posted by johnes
Which would you buy?


Neither.. i would get a more appropriate boat for the described needs.

this is just my opinion, but they don't take families out in Indy cars for a reason.. its not practical.. it's not the safest thing to do for kicks.. and if the weather picks up (as it often does)... you could be in for a scary (or dangerous) ride...

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Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: ] #187884
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Buy them both and sell the Inter 20 mast to finance the whole deal, then put the N 6.0 mast on the I20...

How's that for "outside the box" thinking?

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Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: ] #187898
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Originally Posted by andrewscott
Originally Posted by johnes
Which would you buy?


Neither.. i would get a more appropriate boat for your described needs.


Andrew, I was adding comment, I don't have a dog in this hunt.

Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: Ventucky Red] #187902
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Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: Ventucky Red] #187914
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Originally Posted by johnes
Andrew, I was adding comment, I don't have a dog in this hunt.


Sorry, i didnt mean to imply you were (in the hunt).. i changed my answer to reflect this a little better.

Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: ] #187999
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Andrew,(Post has been edited from the original, because I displayed poor judgment and zero discretion in a post about discretion; please forgive me; it been a rough week and I took it out on Andrew, Sorry Andrew)

I have owned both boats, you could even say all three, 6.0NA, 6.0NA with spin, & N20. I have raced and sailed with kids in each of the above listed three.

Let me please try to clarify a little bit: If sailing with kids you need to pick your conditions, as in the lets just say that during an auto gybe the boom hits you in the head; it is bad regardless of the platform that you are sailing, be it a N20, TheMightyHobie18 or a Thistle or a J22 or Baltic 42. I have both of my own kids explain to their friends that are about to go for a ride, that the boom, this hear metal thingy, is the same noise “boom” they will remember hearing as they wake up I the hospital, if they wake up. That usually gets there attention. This is usually followed up with if you fall off we will come back for you, probably.

When kids are involved DISCREATION IS WARRANTED. Have you ever shown up to go sailing and/or racing and there was zero wind AND a thunderhead in the area and its getting closer?

Even on a 79' lead hauler discretion is warranted. . . .

BTW the N20 is the most forgivivg boat I have raced or day sailed.

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Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: Chris9] #188025
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Chris,
You ask me to "STFU" yet you ask me 3 questions.... which is it? shut up or answer your questions?

I clearly state that i have not owned a nacra... i was simply giving my opinion.. I clearly state as that this was opinion as well..

sorry if this hits your "hot spot" but this is an open forum. I am going to give my opinion when and wherever i see fit. i try to add disclaimers when i am responding with an opinion and not fact. I also try to be mostly polite and not tell people to shut up... or "STFU" when they are simply trying to answer someones post..


Perhaps you should try the decaf if something as simple as me responding gets your undies in a wad... and STFU is not the way to ask me to do something... actually it makes me want to respond even more... smile

Have a nice day..

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Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: Chris9] #188026
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Really, Chris, your response is just out of control and inappropriate. Get a grip, it's just a boating opinion. It's not like he insulted your girlfriend.

Nimord stated, "I will not be using this for racing; more so for family fun sails... It will only be used in the summer months and will reside on the beach."

Put the following boats in order of best choice for a "leave it on the beach" family boat:

GCat 5.7
Hobie 18
Hobie 16
I-20 (carbon mast and spinnaker!)
N 6.0NA (huge sail plan including a giant non-furling jib)

Hmmm, which are the LEAST sensible? He might want something more zippy but an I-20 family boat?
Nimrod, think again. NEITHER boat is the best choice.



Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: David Parker] #188042
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Gents, calm down were only talking about boats here. But now that we are there, I think the both of you are working the assumption a.) I am a novice to sailing, b.) what we consider a fun sail, c.) what is your perception of a family boat.

Let me answer:

a.) Very experienced with sailing, not so much with catamarans as we are new to this, but I believe there is not much difference in sailing these as opposed to a Melges 24, J-24, J-105, Ultimate 20 etc........

b.) Fun Sail = anything not involving a regatta Also think two teenagers one adult.

c.) Family Boat = teenagers that are very enthused about sailing and looking for something they will grow into not out of.





Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: Nimrod] #188043
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Originally Posted by Nimrod
I’m leaning towards I 20 as it is newer design technology and spinnaker.

Nimrod:

Once I tasted beachcat spin sailing its been hard considering going without! Assuming the N20 is seaworthy and of sound condition and that you are COMPETENT on it, I would acquire it. Ignore the baloney analogy to race cars. Its more fun being able to sail fast and having a well designed beachcat. The N20 is very stable even when pushed hard. Its all about knowing your limits and the factors at hand.

Also, N20s are more marketable, geeze the mast alone may be worth your resale investment.

I hope you enjoy whichever one you choose!


Chris: I think your questions were rhetorical but I had an 6.0NA and sailed it with young kids and even a Golden Retriever w/out any incidents except that the dog would growl at the dolphins (LOL); and I race against N20s all the time. Its all about safe sailing, understood. BTW, your free enrollment in "Online Forum Civility" has been approved.

Andrew: Opinions are like #$@holes. Everyone has one but sometimes ......(deep breath) its better to lurk, show some restraint, and preserve your credibility. Chris' questions were rhetorical not an invitation. Please save the impulsive comments for the "Drill Baby" and "Test" threads. Show some introspection, please. It will go a long way.

Can you tell that I've been dealing with mediation hearings (office) all week? Glad its Friday!


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Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: Nimrod] #188044
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Originally Posted by Nimrod
Gents, calm down were only talking about boats here. But now that we are there, I think the both of you are working the assumption a.) I am a novice to sailing, b.) what we consider a fun sail, c.) what is your perception of a family boat.

Let me answer:

a.) Very experienced with sailing, not so much with catamarans as we are new to this, but I believe there is not much difference in sailing these as opposed to a Melges 24, J-24, J-105, Ultimate 20 etc........

b.) Fun Sail = anything not involving a regatta Also think two teenagers one adult.

c.) Family Boat = teenagers that are very enthused about sailing and looking for something they will grow into not out of.






Get the Nacra 20 then.You'll then see what we're talking about and you will have something to grow into with re-sale value.


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Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #188047
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If you would ever sail the boat with a chute buy the N20. If you will never sail the N20 with a chute then buy the 6.0. I dont think the n20 is much fun without the chute. The 6.0 is still very powerful downwind without a chute.

Ive sailed both a bunch. The N20 is a really fun boat. They are both a handfull. I might actually recommend an TheMightyHobie18 for your needs.


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Re: Nacra 6.0 NA vs Inter 20 with older stuff [Re: Kris Hathaway] #188050
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Thanks Kris
...your comments are appreciated, and I will "reflect" on them a bit

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