| Gybing in high wind #212920 06/07/10 11:51 AM 06/07/10 11:51 AM |
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Posts: 51 Richmond, Va | Yesterday I was out on the Chesapeake Bay sailing my H14 solo. The winds as I found out today from the Stingray Point light were about 20ish gusting to 30. I was sailing in the lee of my island and had accidently gotten out of the lee into the main channel of wind on a tack taking me away from the island. It was blowing so hard I couldn’t make a tack with no jib, so I decided to carefully gybe. That was about one of the scariest experiences I have had on a sailboat to date. I came very close to pitching and didn’t know what I could have done to stop it. I’m still not quite sure how I saved it, I think I went through the wind to fast and steered back down further. So I was wondering what some tips for gybing in high wind are. Thanks all!
Brian C. H14 H16
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#212923 06/07/10 12:05 PM 06/07/10 12:05 PM |
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Posts: 1,382 Essex, UK | Fast in and fast out with total committment!
Essentially keep the speed up throughout, gybe through as small an angle as possible and try to judge your timing so that you are on the face of a wave so that you are, to a degree, surfing.
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#212928 06/07/10 12:40 PM 06/07/10 12:40 PM | andrewscott
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what i do is: when i am close to the gybe.. I feather the load (steer slightly down wind) so I can grab the sheets/block and guide it across the trav track.
this takes practice (in lighter air). | | | Re: Gybing in high wind
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Posts: 606 Maryland | Brian, Yes it was honking yesterday. The WRSC F16 fleet was also out in that stuff yesterday. When you make the leap to the F16, same rules will apply. You need to keep your speed up in & out so that the relative wind is less, requiring a gybe with full conviction. Having a chute and higher volume bows makes it MUCH easier .
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#212999 06/07/10 09:03 PM 06/07/10 09:03 PM |
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Posts: 263 SC | Agreed with all of the above. Jake Kohl explained it to ne very well once. Basically you need the speed to lessen the carnage of the gybe. If you are traveling through the gybe at a speed equal to the wind the manuver would be equal to gybing in no wind so the faster the better. I have no experience with the H-14 so that may bring things into play that I am not considering.
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#213003 06/07/10 10:01 PM 06/07/10 10:01 PM |
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | Scary maneuver on a H14. They don't have a lot of any buoyancy up front.
Fixed it. I swear mine ended at the front crossbar. | | | Re: Gybing in high wind
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#213011 06/08/10 12:21 AM 06/08/10 12:21 AM |
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Posts: 757 japan | nice vid
i like the boat hook just before that gybe
they seem to gybe through more than 90degrees....and rather than head down when it goes pear shaped keep heading across... both of them are still on the wrong side of the boat well after crossing head to wind.............the crew at least should have been through under the boom much quicker
so at a guess i would say these 2 highly experienced sailors were "racing" and not in "survival mode" and that the helm initiated the gybe before the crew was ready and then compounded the error by losing control of the rudder in the initial violent gybing action, might have been trying out the hero suit for the camera
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#213043 06/08/10 08:44 AM 06/08/10 08:44 AM | andrewscott
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slow down just enough to let a powerboat hit your sterns and push you through the gybe. this method does not require much skill but collision insurance is recommended | | | Re: Gybing in high wind
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#213047 06/08/10 08:59 AM 06/08/10 08:59 AM |
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | Scary maneuver on a H14. They don't have a lot of any buoyancy up front.
Fixed it. I swear mine ended at the front crossbar. LOL, the 14 in conditions described, your weight will be so far back that unless you're 6'-2" you'll rarely see the tips of the bows. Aptly described by someone, "the 14 DW in a blow is like sailing off a cliff!"
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#213052 06/08/10 09:23 AM 06/08/10 09:23 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I wouldn't bring in the traveler - I made that mistake once and it cost Zander 2 fractured ribs. If the traveler is in when the main gybes and catches the wind hard, there's a good chance that it will overpower and stall the rudders when it pops over making the boat round up and capsize. If you gain just a little too much angle with the main in you capsize quickly.
Your best bet is to leave everything out but with the main firm enough that it has some shape to it. Accelerate and have a step by step plan in your head. Let the crew (if you have one) start their way across the boat...they're going to need to get to the back of the boat quickly but leave you enough room to maneuver. Once the crew has started their move, make your turn briskly (but not so fast that you stall the rudders and put on "the brakes"). As the boat turns, help the boom start across (the crew might be able to do this too). I grab the mainsheet between the blocks and pull it to the center. As soon as the main starts across the boat, reverse your turn slightly and turn a little further back downwind...you're making an "S" turn...go just high enough for the main to catch the wind on it's backside and then quickly and firmly turn back down...but not too far!
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#213054 06/08/10 09:30 AM 06/08/10 09:30 AM | andrewscott
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#213055 06/08/10 09:31 AM 06/08/10 09:31 AM | andrewscott
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I just let everything out (traveller and every inch of the mainsheet), then have my crew and I lay down and kiss the tramp as I steer (slowly) through the wind.
I've often wondered how the rig stays intact when I do this...
Mike sounds scary. have you ever heard your crew praying during this "laying down" time? | | | Re: Gybing in high wind
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Andrew - make sure to have a stopper knot on your traveler line so you're not relying on the plastic stops on the beam...the stopper knot will hit the cleat fairlead and stop the traveler. The stoppers don't really take much of a joke.
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