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Posts: 921 Alachua, FL | The owner told me that this replacement mast was supplied by, and set-up by, Aquarius.
Mike, As you know, I sailed with Skip in the KL Steeplechase on that boat. I felt there were some issues with the mast. I think part of the problem is the sail is too full. I could never depower enough to have much control over the boat. It was way overpowered with two of us in 20 kts. I think it might need a lot more pre-bend and that should stabilized the mast and perhaps allow the sail to support the middle portion. I agree that the Aquarius folks should have an answer. I hope you get it sorted out because we need you in the Sandusky Steeplechase.
Jack Woehrle Hobie Wave #100, Tiger Shark III HCA-NA 5022-1 USSailing 654799E Alachua FL/Put-In-Bay | | | Re: ARC 22 mast
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Posts: 425 Toledo, Ohio (western end of ... | I just got off the phone on a three way conference call with Tom Haberman of Aquarius Sail, Inc., the company that makes and services the ARC 22, to discuss our questions. Tom was great with explaining everything we needed to know and assuring us how to sail the boat fast and safely. The boat is the ultimate beach cat in size and performance. It is meant to be raced hard with a max crew weight of about 500 pounds. It is fine to take extra people sailing but with a less aggressive aproach.
Anyone getting a chance to sail the boat should jump at it (like I did). Anyone able to buy one should go for it. It is rare these days to get such close personal, expert assistance for any product, especially beach cats, as I have learned that the Haberman's routinely provide. Just read the owner's manual and consult with Aquarius for how you want to use the boat and that guidance should be all you need.
Skip and I feel confidant now that we will sail fast and win the Sandusky Steeplechase this year. You hear that, Rick?! (yes, that's a challenge!) | | | Re: ARC 22 mast
[Re: Mike Fahle]
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Posts: 1,304 Gulf Coast relocated from Cali... | Good luck with getting any longevity out of the aluminum stick. Did Tom mention how many masts Dennis Banks has broken on the 22 in Texas? I think his answer is "it shouldn't do that." everytime. Get a carbon stick for it.
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Posts: 1,658 Florida Suncoast, Dunedin Caus... | From what I've seen the problem is the rotation of the mast is controlled by how tight the main sheet is. If the lower batten/boom isn't set up right or if the main sheet isn't hooked far enough forward on the clew plate the mast seems to be over rotated all the time.
A guy here solved the problem by adding a rotation bar to the mast just below max down haul and runs a line from that to the clew plate. Now he has control over how much it can rotate.
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | From what I've seen the problem is the rotation of the mast is controlled by how tight the main sheet is. If the lower batten/boom isn't set up right or if the main sheet isn't hooked far enough forward on the clew plate the mast seems to be over rotated all the time. Another possibility would be incorrect diamond wire tension. In order to use the same SC17 aluminum section, the SC22 is rigged with two diamonds and one crostree - or at least this is how the one here is rigged. The mast may twist if any of the eight turnbuckles -one for each wire section- is too loose or too tight.
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Posts: 921 Alachua, FL | From what I've seen the problem is the rotation of the mast is controlled by how tight the main sheet is. If the lower batten/boom isn't set up right or if the main sheet isn't hooked far enough forward on the clew plate the mast seems to be over rotated all the time.
I agree with this. When Skip and I sailed the boat, I don't think we ever got that lower batten set right. It was a real PITA. However, both Bill Roberts and Tom seem to defend these quirks ardently, so who knows. They certainly don't have these issues on their boats,
Jack Woehrle Hobie Wave #100, Tiger Shark III HCA-NA 5022-1 USSailing 654799E Alachua FL/Put-In-Bay | | | Re: ARC 22 mast
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Posts: 1,066 Wellington, FL-Singer Island, ... | The boat I was talking about is a super 17 with an ARC sail plan, no spreaders. Spreaders or not ,If the mast is over rotated going upwind the mast will invert or try to. I was referring to the original post by Mike Fahle which was a ARC 22. | | | Re: ARC 22 mast
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | The boat I was talking about is a super 17 with an ARC sail plan, no spreaders. Spreaders or not ,If the mast is over rotated going upwind the mast will invert or try to. I was referring to the original post by Mike Fahle which was a ARC 22. Same here.
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