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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #222237
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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: pitchpoledave] #222242
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Dave, the feedback I got today from my proposal to put forward the Inter17 from the people who are in touch with the ISAF...It is up to the individual manafacturers to put forward their boat EG Hobie Mastrom Nacra AHPC etc. have to go sit with the ISAF and put forward their preferred boat, the specific numbers in existence dosent matter, the manafacturer can build them, as any one competing in the future olympics will want a new boat ny how, so it will go to a larger boat builder that is capable of constructing enough fast enough, this would be Hobie Nacra and Mastron, i dont believe any one else has this ability or funds to do so, therefore it is becoming clearer what will be put forward >>>perhaps the new nacra F16 lol it will be up to these 3 manufacturers unless you guys can think of another, sorry bout the spelling im tired...

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Devon] #222244
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Why on earth would you want the Inter 17 to get selected for the Olympics!?

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Tony_F18] #222248
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Dudes... I have to be honest here:- I wouldn't consider putting the 17 up as an Olympic class. But if ISAF ask for it to be supplied then its fine with me!


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Tony_F18] #222251
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actually i would prefer something else, but it dosent suit mixed

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: macca] #222252
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Ok macca i gotta ask your leading reply, Why wouldnt you put the 17 up? Now be honest, is it because everyone sailing a F18 will want one...

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Devon] #222253
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It's just that there are much better options for a games boat.

It would be a terrible shame to select a boat for the next 20 years of Olympic competition if it's not at the forefront of current thinking. Otherwise we will end up with yet another star class situation with an irrelevant boat and discipline, no media attraction or desire from youngsters to one day sail that boat.


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: macca] #222261
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Originally Posted by macca
It's just that there are much better options for a games boat.

It would be a terrible shame to select a boat for the next 20 years of Olympic competition if it's not at the forefront of current thinking. Otherwise we will end up with yet another star class situation with an irrelevant boat and discipline, no media attraction or desire from youngsters to one day sail that boat.


Here's where I disagree with you. It's not the boat that's wins the medals, IT'S THE PEOPLE!!!!

Frankly I would love to see Coutts, Baird,etc race opti's against each other. Who here wouldn't want to see that. The truth is the Tornado was way ahead of it's time. Look at what it does with a modern sail plan. How many boats rate significantly faster in the 20 ft range?

Maybe what's needed is a new bow on the T so that some of the people that are watching can feel better about it.


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: catman] #222265
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Well here's the thing, is the Olympics supposed to be for the atheletes or for the spectators? And when it comes to Sailing...well...few -non sailor- spectators understand the rules, strategy or tactics, and being out on the water, of course it's expensive to add TV coverage. So, if the OC isn't going to spend the money to put on good TV coverage, who cares -what- boats they are racing?

Don't get me wrong, I care, and I cannot understand how the OC can allow a Laser AND a Fin, a 470 AND a 49'er, and an old design like a Star, yet NO MULTIHULL??!! WTF?? But if they aren't going to televise it anyway...what do I care which boats they are sailing, I (and 99% of you) am not going to ever race in the Olympics anyway.

It would be nice to see "State of the Art" boats in the Olympics, but I guess we will have to watch the C Class and America's Cup for that.


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: catman] #222266
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Ok, but if we want to see guys like Coutts and Baird racing shitty boats against each other we just have to watch the star, Finn, laser etc.

If the boat makes no difference then why not put everyone in lasers and let them go for it!

How the



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They televise it. Just not in the US.

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Timbo] #222273
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Well here's the thing, is the Olympics supposed to be for the atheletes or for the spectators? And when it comes to Sailing...well...few -non sailor- spectators understand the rules, strategy or tactics, and being out on the water, of course it's expensive to add TV coverage. So, if the OC isn't going to spend the money to put on good TV coverage, who cares -what- boats they are racing?


I think it's about medal count. I think I remember reading that our T teams were getting old and there wasn't any new blood moving up. Wasn't this one if not the reason the US voted against the multi?


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: catman] #222278
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Originally Posted by catman
Originally Posted by Timbo
Well here's the thing, is the Olympics supposed to be for the atheletes or for the spectators? And when it comes to Sailing...well...few -non sailor- spectators understand the rules, strategy or tactics, and being out on the water, of course it's expensive to add TV coverage. So, if the OC isn't going to spend the money to put on good TV coverage, who cares -what- boats they are racing?


I think it's about medal count. I think I remember reading that our T teams were getting old and there wasn't any new blood moving up. Wasn't this one if not the reason the US voted against the multi?


It was one of the excuses but there really wasn't any merit to it.


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Originally Posted by macca
OK, but if we want to see guys like Coutts and Baird racing shitty boats against each other we just have to watch the star, Finn, laser etc.

If the boat makes no difference then why not put everyone in lasers and let them go for it!

How the



I think it would be entertaining.

If Nacra built this boat to be accepted as the next Olympic cat then I think you should state that. Perhaps you have, but I think that may have an effect on some peoples decision to buy this boat good or bad.



And as a Rep. for Nacra you should temper your attitude towards other boats. Especially one that taught thousands to sail and probably exists in greater numbers than than all cats put together.



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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: catman] #222289
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Originally Posted by catman
Originally Posted by macca
OK, but if we want to see guys like Coutts and Baird racing shitty boats against each other we just have to watch the star, Finn, laser etc.

If the boat makes no difference then why not put everyone in lasers and let them go for it!

How the



I think it would be entertaining.

If Nacra built this boat to be accepted as the next Olympic cat then I think you should state that. Perhaps you have, but I think that may have an effect on some peoples decision to buy this boat good or bad.



And as a Rep. for Nacra you should temper your attitude towards other boats. Especially one that taught thousands to sail and probably exists in greater numbers than than all cats put together.



I still don't understand why having an amateur campaign on a popular, also Olympic boat, is such a bad idea. If it's that bad, why are there so many damn lasers everywhere?


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"I still don't understand why having an amateur campaign on a popular, also Olympic boat, is such a bad idea."

+1

I like the potential of thousands of amateurs trying to work their way through the trials process to the "big dance". An expensive, highly specialized boat like the Tornado insures that only a very few will even try.

I'd be thrilled if the F16 was chosen.


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: pgp] #222291
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Originally Posted by pgp
"I still don't understand why having an amateur campaign on a popular, also Olympic boat, is such a bad idea."

+1

I like the potential of thousands of amateurs trying to work their way through the trials process to the "big dance". An expensive, highly specialized boat like the Tornado insures that only a very few will even try.

I'd be thrilled if the F16 was chosen.


Well...that's not quite what I meant. If the Olympic multihull was a boat I was sailing, I wouldn't have any delusions or plans about qualifying for the Olympics but I wouldn't feel slighted in any way if I raced the likes of Johnny and Charlie on a weekend from time to time.


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What's delusional about it? Lot's of people run marathons with no thought of qualifying for the Olympics.


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: pgp] #222297
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Ok Macca the pressure is on, what are Nacra going to put forward to the ISAF? Any hints! How about the new 430 seems you dont like the I17 as an olympic cat...

PGP it cant be a F16 for the olympics, firstly the current fleet will have to change to mixed, and then you will have some chick telling you to slow down im real scared! can you please not let the other hull come out of the water, you know stuff like that, then if it is a f16 chosen the class will become dorment and no further development can occur so all the other F16 makers who havent been selected to produce for the olympics will quickly make a faster F16 and then this non olympic F16 raced at club levels will totally smoke an olympic F16, and you will hear comments like nah nah get a real cat as they pass you..then your shela crew will complain that its all your fault that you got pwned...
Macca has the answer he`s just not saying....

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"...firstly the current fleet will have to change to mixed, and then you will have some chick telling you to slow down im real scared! can you please not let the other hull come out of the water, you know stuff like that..."

Hopefully, that was meant to be satirical. Otherwise, you need to come to a Hobie 16 regatta (you've been sailing with the wrong girls)...

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