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Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam #232296
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This is a pretty (very) minor point, but it always takes me a while to tie my split tail mainsheet to the eyelets on the rear cross-bar and keep the traveler approximately centered. I typically use a bowline knot on each side. The first knot is easy but the second is a bit of a pain to tie without pulling the trav to one side.

I was wondering if anyone had experience with a clip or something that would be easy to pre-tie to the right length, then secure each side while keeping the traveler centered.

I have done some other minor tweaks like this and cut down my rigging time a little.


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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: TEH] #232297
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I whip out half hitches and am able to balance it that way...
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I used half hitches once and one side came undone. Not fun.


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Does anyone make some sort of clasp that would hold a piece of looped dyneema? Like they do on the lightweight blocks?

I found this thread. A soft shackle is what I think I need:
Soft Shackle

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We keep ours tied all the time...
Cut the main sheet so that with a knot on the end it goes out the full length of the beam. Then just tie the beam tail and the block tails together. Makes it for easy up and down and helps to keep the traveler in place while on the trailer.


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Originally Posted by Joanna
We keep ours tied all the time...
Cut the main sheet so that with a knot on the end it goes out the full length of the beam. Then just tie the beam tail and the block tails together. Makes it for easy up and down and helps to keep the traveler in place while on the trailer.


Same here. Much easier smile

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I am going to try a couple of these. I found a bunch that were pretty expensive (>$20), but at $8 I thought this one was worth a try. If it doesn't work on the main sheet, I will try them elsewhere.

Soft Shackles

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You don't need a soft shackle. You don't even need a split end to your mainsheet.

On the back of my rear beam there are two eyelets. I attach a small loop of dyneema on one side. I then thread the mainsheet through the traveller, through the loop, pass it inside the other eyelet and make a figure of eight knot. Done.

The first time you do it you need to play a bit with the loop so it is the right length to center the traveller, but then you leave it on board permanently and you don't have to fiddle with anything to rig.

Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: Joanna] #232324
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Originally Posted by Joanna
We keep ours tied all the time...
Cut the main sheet so that with a knot on the end it goes out the full length of the beam. Then just tie the beam tail and the block tails together. Makes it for easy up and down and helps to keep the traveler in place while on the trailer.


Totally agree with Joanna. Doing it any other way would be a pain in the butt and eventually destroy your traveller car.


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I can teach a retarded monkey to make a soft shackle in less than a minute!

Just make them yourself, its that easy!!!

But for the traveller to beam connection its hard to beat this setup: Clamcleat

then you can have a one piece mainsheet/traveller with a split tail (easy to do as well) and you dont leave your traveller rope on the boat to get all messed up in the sun for months at a time.

Nothing wrong with your traveller moving around when the boat is on the trailer, its much worse for it to be in one spot with salt and crap all built up inside it...

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Originally Posted by macca
I can teach a retarded monkey to make a soft shackle in less than a minute!


absolutely. I made some and tested them with a 2 ton lift and they held. It is as easy as an eye splice and knot. Am using them various places on my 31

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I was talking about smashing the car into the stopper because you don't have a knot in the rope.

Who leaves there boat in the sun??? Won't be just your traveller rope that's stuffed if you do that.


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you can have a one piece mainsheet/traveller with a knot in it...


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When it comes to tying knots, a retarded monkey has a lot on me. I can barely tie a bowline. I did check out several tutorials and it does not look that hard.

BTW, I see two or three other places on the boat where I could use these. Any time I can avoid a knot, I will.

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I could easily do your setup Pepin with my current split tail main.

Where else on your boat do you use the soft shackles?


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Originally Posted by TEH


Where else on your boat do you use the soft shackles?


I Think Peppins set up is the same as mine, Mainsheet to Boom,spinnaker tack as part of the outhaul line, spinnaker uphaul to spinnaker and the list goes on, basically everywhere you have a conventional shackle if you wanted, they are particularly easy if you use D12 for all the lines and the added benefit of D12 is you don't get rope friction burns on the spinnaker.

On the split stay at the back I simply put a wire eye in the short line and then the sheet goes through without any problems every time, very simple and I'm not sure why people go to the bother of creating a split tail on the sheet.

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I use the split tail and take it off the boat after sailing. I don't know what the knot is called but it is just a half hitch with a knot tied on the tail. You leave the knot tied on the tail and it should pass through the eye strap then just tie a half hitch. The knot you leave in the tail is your reference point.

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its called a skiff knot, because its so simple even a skiff sailor can do it smile



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Originally Posted by macca
its called a skiff knot, because its so simple even a skiff sailor can do it smile


I've always heard that knot called an Australian bowline. wink

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Originally Posted by Matt M
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its called a skiff knot, because its so simple even a skiff sailor can do it smile


I've always heard that knot called an Australian bowline. wink


Do you two think it's wise to F!@# with Aussie skiff sailors?


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