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Re: My F16 Blade build [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #257044
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Hi Sam,

we are getting closer to diving into foils, but not quite there yet!
I dont remember if sections was included in the plywood plans. What I know have been used as a safe section earlier is NACA0007 for daggers and NACA0012 for rudders. But there is a whole world of sections available and tuning that can be done. A very nice catsailor here sent me profile data for a modified NACA0013 to be used as both daggers and rudders. Then there are DAG sections which are used on quite a few catamaran foils..

Planform is also very important.



Not too much info is available but most in the know-how will answer direct questions on a good day.
We will start with proven sections and planforms and eventually make insets if we build experimental sections later on.

Place your bets and hold your breath smile

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Re: My F16 Blade build [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #257060
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Once you get the section sorted out, just make them 2 meters long...or longer.

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Re: My F16 Blade build [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #257088
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2 meters!! Bethewaite was on to something but pulled out before it became ridicilous!

Re: My F16 Blade build [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #257098
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Originally Posted by Rolf_Nilsen
2 meters!! Bethewaite was on to something but pulled out before it became ridicilous!


Welcome to modern cats, there is a table of standard F18 board sizes here (last page)

Re: My F16 Blade build [Re: ] #257115
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Thanks for the link. 1965x23x192mm is.. Well, a challenge.

Considering the lower boat and perhaps also crew weight of an F16 a smaller foil is probably the optimum. But the trend is clear. Longer and slimmer foils.. Where is the practical limit and is it only a trend that will reverse in time.. I dont know, but I do think we will continue to see long and slim foils smile

Re: My F16 Blade build [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #257123
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Picked this up on SA: " On an older A-Class with smaller transoms, the conversion from straight to curved boards may have a better chance for improvement if rudder winglets are also included in the upgrade.

There's no doubt that curved boards are here to stay. "

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=144251#entry4037605

I suppose, that if that is true, we should address the issue in the rules.

Last edited by pgp; 02/07/13 08:38 AM.

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Re: My F16 Blade build [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #257129
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Originally Posted by Rolf_Nilsen
Where is the practical limit ?


I would suspect currently, the limit would have to do with the stiffness of the foil using current materials/technology.

Until, that is, I develop "transparent aluminum"


Jay

Re: My F16 Blade build [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #257154
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Originally Posted by Rolf_Nilsen
Thanks for the link. 1965x23x192mm is.. Well, a challenge.

Considering the lower boat and perhaps also crew weight of an F16 a smaller foil is probably the optimum. But the trend is clear. Longer and slimmer foils.. Where is the practical limit and is it only a trend that will reverse in time.. I dont know, but I do think we will continue to see long and slim foils smile


Speaking as a player in the F18 fleet I don't see the daggerboard length trend ever reversing. Granted there is a pretty small window where they pay but that's where the game is being played now. I'm still running the short boards mainly because I like saying "It's not the length of your daggerboard it's how you use it"


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Re: My F16 Blade build [Re: David Ingram] #257170
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enzyte baby...enzyte


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