| Rules Question: Room at the Mark (Gate) #266386 10/20/13 07:40 PM 10/20/13 07:40 PM |
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Posts: 1,246 Orlando, FL | Racing this weekend and a situation came up that I believe we were fouled:
Two boats approaching leeward gate(s) on port tack, both fetching the left hand mark.
We both hit the circle with the other boat as the inside overlap (windward-port -- WP) boat.
We were providing "room at the mark" for the other boat; however the WP was high of the mark.
WP instead of going low-and-slow to make a seaman's rounding (with room), decided to gybe to Starboard (inside the circle).
He then stayed on Starboard as if going to the right-hand mark forcing us to gybe in order to avoid a collision. In doing so we exited the 3-boat circle
He then gybed back and rounded the left-hand mark.
I hailed PROTEST.
I ended up not going to the "room" but was curious to understand the rules to see if I was correct in my assessment.
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#266390 10/21/13 06:38 AM 10/21/13 06:38 AM |
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Posts: 1,884 Detroit, MI | If I'm visualizing this correctly, there was no foul. (A diagram would be very helpful.)
The defined term "fetching" does not apply at a leeward mark.
WP is not required to go "low and slow" - if they continued on port, they would be contrained (since they are the windward give way boat) to sail to the mark and their proper course while at the mark (the "seamanlike" rounding you are thinking of). However, nothing prevents them from heading up and gybing to stbd.
When WP gybed, they had to give you room to keep clear (rule 15) - and you did
Rule 18.4 (Gybing) doesn't apply at a gate.
With WP on stbd tack, you were required to keep clear - and you did.
WP was still entitled to mark room (rule 18.2 c 1) - as long as they did not leave the zone.
No contact, so rule 14 doesn't apply.
No foul.
(this had to be really light air - no way could this scenario play out in a breeze) | | | Re: Rules Question: Room at the Mark (Gate)
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#266391 10/21/13 09:02 AM 10/21/13 09:02 AM |
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Posts: 1,246 Orlando, FL | Yes, fairly light winds @ 6-7 kts.
Gybing and forcing me out of the 3 boat circle would seem to be more of a tactical rounding than a seaman's like rounding
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Posts: 382 SE MI / NE IN | Here's a variation on the theme that I got caught in this summer. Still a bit stumped on this one. I (yellow) was coming in on starboard gybe, intending to round the left gate. Blue came in on port. I hailed starboard. He hailed inside overlap. Being the newbie, I ducked him, but wonder if I should have. If at position 2 I was in the mark zone for the right gate, would I have had inside overlap too?
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#267134 11/20/13 02:20 PM 11/20/13 02:20 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | did blue hit the circle first?
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#267139 11/20/13 03:35 PM 11/20/13 03:35 PM |
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Posts: 1,884 Detroit, MI | did blue hit the circle first? It doesn't matter who gets to the circle first. The boats are overlapped. Starboard (yellow) has the right of way. Inside boat is entitled to mark room. Yellow is the inside boat if they both go right. Blue is the inside boat if they both go left. If they go to opposite marks, then starboard (yellow) has the right of way. | | |
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