| Race Tracking #270016 03/09/14 11:40 AM 03/09/14 11:40 AM |
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Posts: 382 SE MI / NE IN | I've concluded that of my many opportunities for improvement, I'm especially weak on race strategy. The cure, I'm told, is experience: more time on the water. Sounds simple except I live where its a short season, and with 4 kids, family commitments frequently get in the way. Therefore, I'm looking for a way to get as much value as possible from the beer-can and other semi-formal racing we do over the summer. One learning tool that seems especially valuable is race tracking. One can go back and replay a race and see where gains were made/lost, boat positioning paid off or didn't etc. I know that Kattack has been used at some major events such as F18 Americas last October. Does someone know if this is an economical/practical solution when scaling to smaller races where only 3-4 competitors are present? I came across another option called RaceQs. This seems like it might work for even as few as 2 boats, and uses the phone's accelerometers for things like heading, pitch, and roll in addition to usual GPS tracking. I've installed the app and it appears to function as advertised, although I won't have a chance to use it on-water for several months. Any thoughts? Anyone tried it? Any other solutions out there? | | | Re: Race Tracking
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#270072 03/10/14 12:06 AM 03/10/14 12:06 AM |
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Posts: 490 | Just a thought along the lines of stimulating local club skill levels may be to opt for video coverage. I have taken great scenes as mark set of fleets busting down the offset drag strip for the hoist.
This weekend at FWYC they used a drone, with four blades and a special camera to cover the action in this year's edition of the WetaFest. In Sydney, this past week, a team of commentators shot footage on the beach and on the water of the drama in the 18 footers Championship. They presented the colorful setting, the tactical game, and even did sail shape critiques of the top boats. The on - shore interviews and scenery were nice, but their simple approach to race coverage has turned heads.
By the way, Jim Leonard, from Birmingham Sailing Club and former NACRA 5.2 National Champion overcame Miranda Powerie, from NZ, and our own Mike Krantz, who finished third. Pete Pollard was there, but I did not get to speak with him.
I say your local tribe will enjoy the video approach much more, and if you can find some coach to make comments, that will go a long way to building skill and confidence.
During awards, the yacht club presented photos and aerial coverage of the regatta on their large screen in the background. Just sayin'...
Bert
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#270095 03/10/14 07:12 PM 03/10/14 07:12 PM |
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Posts: 490 | Turn to Jake for that box of science. I want to do research on that gyro drone that holds position/altitude and image stability in winds up to twenty - five knots, according to the PRO.
Thanks to Alec Thigpen, we have a set of photos which can be sequenced with the Kattack display for our Sea Buoy Race during the 2007 Corsair Trimaran Nationals at Pensacola Yacht Club. Paul Horton, a C 31 sailor from Austin, provided the intel and did the data management. During the GYA Challenge Cup, a year or two later, GYC, Ms provided a screen for the Kattack tracks and one for the photo display. It was cool after racing for the day to view the Kattack tracking for each race and sequenced photos of the mark roundings on a separate, large screen. This was an interclub PHRF sea battle, so the crowd was thirsty (July) and quite large.
You are right; a team of talented and dedicated volunteers is needed to fulfill that ambitious, new component.
Good fortune with your quest, Bert | | | Re: Race Tracking
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#270097 03/10/14 08:19 PM 03/10/14 08:19 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Don't turn to me for drone advice. Craig Van Eaton is you go to guy there!
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | There is another iphone app - Predictwind "Tracker". You can sign up at the yacht club level and get live tracking off the boats (for those willing to let the app upload data real time). The race can be viewed / broadcast on the line live or reviewed later. They were farting around with this at my local club and I downloaded the app...I suspect that once they got into the actual fees and process that it was expensive and/or not casual. All I know is that the project got dropped like a wasp infested baked potato. You have to send them emails before you can talk about fees so I didn't dig into it. http://www.predictwind.com/tracker/
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#270128 03/11/14 11:27 PM 03/11/14 11:27 PM |
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Posts: 186 | Jeff, Yes time on the water is the best thing you can do for speed and handling but unless you are in large fleets or at least competitive fleets you're not going to learn much on tactics. You may want to spend some time talk to Robbie about strategy and tactics. I learned mostly from competitive dinghy one design fleets such as Vanguard 15s, Lasers, and college sailing. In the absence of that, I would HIGHLY recommend picking up some reading material. I do a lot of Opti coaching and reccommend all my kids at read winning in one designs and later advanced racing tactics. Dave Perry: Winning in One Designs (this was really my breakthrough when I was younger) Stuart Walker: Advanced Racing Tactics Stuart Walker: Tactics of Small Boat Racing Dave Dellenbaugh: http://www.speedandsmarts.com/The concepts from dinghies to F18s are very similar. Maybe not as much so in a less maneuverable boat like the Hobie 16 but still very similar. My reccomendation would be focus on understanding: -How to read the wind across the course and how to react to it. -How to place yourself in the right place on the course to best be able to react to the wind. -Fleet management. There is a lot you can learn on this and this generally takes sailing in big fleets to become instinctive. But constantly be thinking about how to get leverage over the other boats and if you can't gain leverage, make sure you are covering. Maximize gains and minimize losses, easy right?! -How to place yourself on the course to better react to the wind better than all the other boats but not doing something so extreme you lose coverage on the majority of the fleet. I'm not saying I'm an expert... but obviously Dalton and I did a pretty spot on job the first day of America's and it was using all the above basic principles. Yea it helped to have speed off the line and making sure we had option to go where we wanted, but we were constantly making small gains almost all the time. I just wish our tracker had been working!
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#270149 03/12/14 02:59 PM 03/12/14 02:59 PM |
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Posts: 3,969 | Those books help on H16s as well. H16s are far more maneuverable than many people want to admit, and knowing things like when a shift is big enough to use, how to approach another boat, etc. are just as important as in an Opti. Many H16 sailors mocked Bob Merrick until he figured out how to tack the boat, then blew them away using everything he knew about racing that he learned during his development years on monohulls. But, what would you know about that, Todd? You gave up on the H16 and immediately shot to the podium in the F18s, right? Mike PS: Speed and Smarts is supposed to be a secret... | | | Re: Race Tracking
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | i've had good success recently with a handheld compass to estimate my laylines. but I don't have my hands as full nearly as much as on the 18
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