Would someone be so kind as to help me figure out the correct angle of mast rake for a H14Maxi? Either the actual degree of rake, or a measurement off the main halyard, as per directions below:
Set the trampoline frame to level (both fore-aft and side-side). Set a board across the trampoline frame from one side to the other. Let the main halyard hang perfectly verticle (weight the end), and move the board along the trampoline frame until it contacts the halyard. Measure the distance from the center of the mast mast-beam to where the halyard contacts the board.
I want to make my own shrouds that will connect straight to the hulls like the H16. I need to know which angle to set the mast, then I can figure out the rest.
Also- how long is the spinnaker pole? I will most likely mount it with a carriage bolt like Dan did.
G-Cat 5.7M #583 (sail # currently 100) in Bradenton, FL
Hobie 14T
I will send you the mast rake this weekend. The pole is 10' x 2" alum.
It was great meeting you this weekend!!
Bob
"The election is over, the talking is done, Your party lost, my party won. So let us be friends, let arguments pass, I’ll hug my elephant, you kiss you’re a $$.” Liberalism = A brain eating amoeba & a failed political ideology of the 20th century!
Yes--nice meeting you, sorry I couldn't get you on a 14, but at least you got to go and see the boats.
My pole is 10 1/2 feet long. I had trouble making it 10 feet like Bob's because my clew was dragging on the front beam. Even with the extra few inches, I still had it too low unless I put a LOT of tension on the Hooter halyard.
I won't have mine set up until the weekend after next, so I probably won't be any help. Besides, I would go with Bob's proven rig over mine!
Here is the quote I got from David at Sabre Sails:
Quote
Type of boat:Hobie 14
MAIN Square top
Club: Tri Radials: Square Weave Dacron:$892.68 Premium Pentex:$935.75 Pentex:$922.83 180x color mylar:$800.10 Crosscut: Square Weave Dacron:$817.73 Dacron White 4.0 oz:$584.71 Dacron White 5.4 oz:$675.15 Color Dacron:$664.51 OPTIONS:
Hot Rod Battens:$280.00
HEADSAIL Screecher Tri Radials: Club: Premium Pentex:$708.32 Pentex:$674.29 180x color mylar:$653.87 Crosscut: Dacron (red,whiteor blue)2.2 oz:$738.95
I know I'll need the battens, but the mainsail prices are all over the place. If the 4.0oz Dacron would be competitive, I'd go that route and spend the $338 difference on the headsail.
I'm a bit curious why the tri-radial Pentex headsail costs less than the cross-cut Dacron 2.2oz version... while the Pentex mainsail is almost double the cost of the Dacron 4.0oz version.
G-Cat 5.7M #583 (sail # currently 100) in Bradenton, FL
Hobie 14T
Re: Questions cocerning the H14Maxi
[Re: Sycho15]
#32310 04/22/0407:16 AM04/22/0407:16 AM
Mast Rake is 8" behind the rear beam using a plumb.
Pole is 10' x 2" alum tubing.
Reacher tang is 10" below the top of the extrusion.
Have fun!
Bob
"The election is over, the talking is done, Your party lost, my party won. So let us be friends, let arguments pass, I’ll hug my elephant, you kiss you’re a $$.” Liberalism = A brain eating amoeba & a failed political ideology of the 20th century!
Re: Questions cocerning the H14Maxi
[Re: Sycho15]
#32311 04/22/0407:29 AM04/22/0407:29 AM
Main Dacron White 5.4 oz:$675.15 (Allows for a wider groove) Reacher Dacron (red,whiteor blue)2.2 oz:$738.95 (lighter for flying in light air up to 6.5kts in light air)
I'm using the 180x colored mylar for the main and an experimental mylar test cloth for the reacher.
Bob
"The election is over, the talking is done, Your party lost, my party won. So let us be friends, let arguments pass, I’ll hug my elephant, you kiss you’re a $$.” Liberalism = A brain eating amoeba & a failed political ideology of the 20th century!
Re: Questions cocerning the H14Maxi
[Re: Bob_Curry]
#32312 04/22/0411:19 AM04/22/0411:19 AM
Thanks a lot, Bob! I have another question, this time regarding the reacher furler. What furling system do you use, and where can I get one? The drum that was on the H14T I'm using seems pretty well shot, ditto for the TheMightyHobie18 parts boat's drum.
G-Cat 5.7M #583 (sail # currently 100) in Bradenton, FL
Hobie 14T
I used two different types. One can be found at Murrays: http://www.murrays.com/archive/50.pdf (see "B") but you have to also order the fairlead. It is actually jut a strip of metal that attaches to the pin on the bottom of the drum and it has a hole near the top to guide the furling line into the drum. Murray's probably doesn't stock them, but I can get you a picture.
I'm using a small Barton furler purchased fron Stu at Ellie's Sailing Shop in Clearwater, Fl.
Bob
"The election is over, the talking is done, Your party lost, my party won. So let us be friends, let arguments pass, I’ll hug my elephant, you kiss you’re a $$.” Liberalism = A brain eating amoeba & a failed political ideology of the 20th century!
Attached is a pic of the standard Harken furler with the fairlead. You really have to either have some kind of fairlead or a closed bail like Berny suggested. If not, the angle isn't right and the line gets wrapped up all wrong..
Dan Berger Norfolk, VA A Cat USA139 Supercat 15
We Carry all the gear here!
[Re: Dan Berger]
#32317 04/22/0408:38 PM04/22/0408:38 PM
I wasn't trying to take business away from you--especially on your site, I just didn't know you had the parts. I really was just looking for pictures to show the part I was talking about..
The Hobie 18 furler, while physically kind of large, has a rebuild kit that will make an old one like new (Hobie #61900900, $33.25). It has an interesting "pass through" chainplate adjuster to tension the rig at the forestay. I've seen several setups with a swivel attached to that plate BELOW that furler so you can use it for a mid-pole support for a spin pole.
Rick, the furler you referred to does not have just a fairlead as mentioned, it has the fairlead AND a camcleat ON the furler. (See attached photo) Just how high would you have to raise/lower your arm to cleat and uncleat this line if you are sitting 10-12 feet away from the spinpole end where the cleat is? I'm used to the cleat on the mainbeam.
I saw that and thought that if I were to buy it, I would take the cam cleat off the furler and install it on the front beam to use as the cleat for the furling line. Then, I would put a padeye (in place of the cam cleat) on the bracket sticking out of the furler to act as a fairlead. Just reusing parts..
I have been running two back-to-back seminars and only see my computer for an hour a day, so linked you to the wrong furler. Nonetheless, we have them all on the site, and if not actually listed, we still have them -- adding items daily since last April and over 4000 items and double that to come. Thanks, Rick
The Ronstan RF76 furler and RF78/79 swivel is a nice light compact setup used here almost exclusively on 14ft cat headsails and they are quite reasonably priced too. I just bought a spare one off my mate for $Aus20 so I'm a happy little chappy.
The simplest furler fairlead is shown in a picture on page 52 of the OLD (2001-2002) Murrays catalogue. It is just a simple $9 tang that mounts to the lower fork of any Harken furler. In the newer (2003-3004) catalogue the photo is gone(?) and there's just a listing on page 50 (part #25-1066). Neither Harken nor Rick lists this number so I don't know who makes it but for $9 you can't go wrong.