Rick
[color:"blue"] [/color] I am a Japanese wave fan. I enjoyed my wave.
I read your message that Jib kit does not work well, we can not push any luff tention on it.

I have a jib kit and have the same opinion with you.
A blue blade jib in super wave website is same as my blade jib that Hobie Cat sells ? or your new arrangement blade jib ?

I think my blade jib that I bought from Hobie Cat is very small and does not work well.
I will try to make triangle wire arrangement to push any luff tention.

One more question, as wave HP, what is HP?

Thanks
Koba

HP is for High Performance.
I did have a blade jib, but don't think it will work. I am presently working up a rig for the F14 Class that will add a larger jib that is self-tacking and roller-furling, and a spinnaker that is roller-furling.

WIll come with a trapeze as well. All can be taken off to sail as a stock Wave.

Hope you can make the Wave Worlds. Having some Japanese competitors ought to add to the flavor of the event.

Rick

[quote]I am presently working up a rig for the F14 Class that will add a larger jib that is self-tacking.

Rick, what progress have you made with this new jib for the F14 and Wave and when do you think you'll have them available?

THe design is there, but now that I am in Ohio it may slow down the process a bit. I was hoping to have something together before Bay Week to race against the Mystere boats, but don't see that happening yet.
Probably be in the fall when I get back to Key Largo and get with Calvert again.
Rick

Rick,
Can you let us know of your thinking regarding your design work? What do you have in mind at the moment? How do you expect it will work?

The rig I want to use for the F14 Class would have a long bow sprit (around 10'), and place the forestay much farther forward than it's present position.
I would then have a roller furling spinnaker (Hooter), and a roller furling jib (fairly large) that would be self-tacking.
With this rig you would have plenty of power upwind (trapeze should be used) in normal winds; in very light winds you could use the Hooter upwind; and in heavy air just furl and sail with the main.
Off the wind there would be two nice slots and should create plenty of speed.
In theory I believe the Wave Platform will do better than the H14 because it has so much more buoyancy. But who knows?

See ya,
Rick

Rick,
How do you envisage the new forestay being attached further forward. especially on the Wave?
Will it be available to be used as a seperate unit to the bowsprit/screacher package for the Wave?
How much larger will the new Jib be than the stock Wave unit?

The new forestay would attach to the bow sprit several feet ahead of the present forestay.
A spreader bar between the bows will be necessary to keep the hulls from pinching in from the pull from the bow sprit.
This would all have to be packaged along with the Hooter -- still a work in progress that I had hoped would happen before going north for the summer, but alas, it will probably not happen until this fall.
The Wave does not have a jib that works, and the one that is available is very small and does not work -- can't get any luff tension on it.
Rick

Rick

When in the Fall do you think you'll be back to work on this project?
Can you let us know of your progress and development of the new setup as you move it along? I'm sure we would all like to know [pics as well] how its progressing?

Sure can keep you informed.
I will heading south to Pensacola for the Wave NAs on the weekend of the 24th and on to Key Largo from there after the races.
Then I will be back close to Calverts where we can work on the project.
Basically, I intend to use a 10' bow sprit, use the Hobie bow spreader to keep the hulls from coming together, and then replace the present halyard with a halyard that is attach about half way out the bow sprit. That is where I intend to hank on the roller furling jib. I want to set it up as self-tacking.
Then I will use the roller furling Hooter at the end of the bow sprit and sheet from the aft part of the boat (That I am already doing -- you can see the whole story at Wave Class Site on the Super Wave)
That will be a pretty powerful rig on a platform that can handle a lot of buoyancy.

However, you won't be able to hold the boat down in winds over 12 mph, so I intend to have a trapeze as well.
Since the tiller is in front of the mainsheet, a standard tiller extension will not work -- you would constantly be fighting to get it and you through during each tack and jibe.
So, I will use a long, one-piece tiller extension that goes out both sides of the boat. It will be bent up so it does not hit the water on the leeward side.

Anyway, that is the plan.

Thanks for asking,
Rick

Since the tiller is in front of the mainsheet, a standard tiller extension will not work -- you would constantly be fighting to get it and you through during each tack and jibe.
So, I will use a long, one-piece tiller extension that goes out both sides of the boat. It will be bent up so it does not hit the water on the leeward side.

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Rick,
Your thoughts on revising the tiller cross arm setup to a standard type ie, behind the mainsheet.
Then wouldn't a regular tiller extension be possible and easier to use!!!?
Your comments!!!

Well,
You would have to cut the rudder arms down to do so. And then it wouldn't be Wave Class legal. Or you could buy a new set of rudders to be legal.
Howver, lots cheaper and easier with the single tiller extension -- that is what the Sharks use and it works well.
Rick

Rich

Are you back "On Deck" yet with this project?

RicK,

Sorry about the TYPO!!!

I really have not had time.., spent the summer at Put-in-Bay and had no place to try out things.

Also, it appears that the hoopla about a F14 Class has gone away.., the reason for adding all the sail area.
And, I have done really well with the Wave with Hooter only. Of course, if the wind pipes up too much, then I would love to have the self tacking jib.

This summer I was able to stay with the Mystere 4.3 class upwind and downwind most of the time.

I jwould love to continue working on the idea, however.
Rick

Rick said : The Wave does not have a jib that works, and the one that is available is very small and does not work -- can't get any luff tension on it.

Hello Rick,
I have a new Wave with the jib kit and the traveler. What do you mean when you say you cannot get any luff tension on the jib? Don't you simply pull it up with the jib halyard to any tension you want, and then cleat it off?

My bigger problem is with the jib sheets catching on the mast cleats and the base of the mast with every tack. Do you have a fix for that?

Thanks,

Loren

For a jib to work properly, the jib luff must be very tight in most wind conditions -- although perhaps not so much on reaches.
Since the jib attaches to an thin aluminum bar between the hulls, you cannot get enough tension. If you get the tension you really need, it will only be for a short time -- the cross bar will break.., or bend so much that you will lose the luff tension.
To tension a jib you need more than to pull it and cleat it. You should use at least a 2:1 or 3:1 tensioner.
Check it out. Next time you are sailing up wind, look at the luff of the jib. It will be sagging way off to leeward. If the luff looks arced, it is not working.
if the luff looks almost as straight as the mast, it is working.
To stop the catching, duct tape the cleats, and then put a bungee cord running from the mast to each side of the boat as a preventer.
Good luck,
Rick

Thanks Rick. This is a great forum, and I have also gotten a ton of information from your book "Catamaran Racing for the 90's.

Loren

Note from Mary:
Since the Wave doesn't have diamond wires, in order to have that bungee cord to prevent your jib sheets from catching, you will probably have to install a small eye strap on the front of the mast, maybe 18 inches or more up from the bottom, to run the bungee cord through. I would tie it off at the eye strap with a half-hitch or something, and then run each end of the bungee down to each end of the main beam and tie off there, where there is an opening in the trampoline at each end of the beam.

If that still doesn't work, you can come up with various creative variations on the same theme. And let us all know what works best.

Good idea Mary. I am embarrassed to see that I have not given you the credit that is due you in Catamaran Racing for the 90's. Your contribution was excellent and enjoyable.

Loren