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How billionaires get their boats to the lake #34244
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Airmail.

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New Lake Geneva one design "catamaran" with a center pod.
Read about them here:
http://www.sebschmidt.ch/3_projects/01197_DE35/articleSeahorsemai2004.pdf

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Re: How billionaires get their boats to the lake [Re: MauganN20] #34245
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pretty smart, though for the cost of their annual maitenance I could buy a very nice boat...


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Re: How billionaires get their boats to the lake [Re: Sycho15] #34246
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Interesting article and shots. What a creative, if expensive way to solve the "we dont have enough boats for a one design series" head scratcher: MAKE ALL OF THEM! That center pod presents one wacky design... Looking for some shots of the 35ft monster in action.

I still need to get up with you about a summer sail down here. Thanks for the link.

kh

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ask and ye shall receive. Actually theres a whole story on them over at sailinganarchy.com

I'm going to the outer banks week after next. If I still have a boat left I'll be heading down to Wrightsville soon after.

Just goes to show [Re: MauganN20] #34248
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Even the ultra rich get fed up with the arms race. Go figure!


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yeah the spending limit is 40k euros/year on the campaign for them.

The guys over at SA put together a 40k/year budget for these guys using H16's :P

Re: How billionaires get their boats to the lake [Re: Abstrait] #34250
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Check out the Old Forum for the thread "Pics of the new 35 Cat from Europe. Interesting layout" Follow that link and you can see 3 or 4 of these racing.

Don't you wish you only had one forum to check out or post to? I am in favor of killing the Old Forum.


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Re: How billionaires get their boats to the lake [Re: sparky] #34251
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I read something on these beasties - Fully powered and hull flying up in 4 (yes 4) knots of wind !!!!!


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And their stated top speed = 13 knots ! [Re: scooby_simon] #34252
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And their stated top speed = 13 knots !

Or at least it is claimed in the Madforsailing.com article on them.

Not much is it ? 13 knots to speed.

Apparently these boats can do 1.9 times the windspeed at 5 knots wind and 0.5 times the windspeed at 26 knots wind.

I think a normal standard beach cat does something like 1.0 to 1.3 times the windspeed in 5 knots and about 0.8 times the windspeed in 20-25 knots.

But I would definately want a ride on these biggies in 5 knots of wind !

Wouter


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Re: And their stated top speed = 13 knots ! [Re: Wouter] #34253
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Some even more shots of the Decision35.

Picture-filled link:

http://www.decision.ch/FR/actualite.htm

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You too can fly a hull in 3 knots!
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almost a D class

Re: And their stated top speed = 13 knots ! [Re: Wouter] #34255
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And here is the quote from Madforsailing.com (AKA thedailysail.com)

maybe I'm intepreting it incorrectly :

"The old Formula 40s were faster than the Alinghi cat at high speed. But that was not the target - it was not the objective to reach high speed." The objective was to sail fast in light winds and the conditions found on the lakes.

Upwind the VPPs of the Decision 35 indicate that they will be sailing at 1.9 times wind speed with a top speed of around 13 knots. Thus in 4 knots of wind, which you often see on the lakes, boat speed will be approaching 8 knots. Compared to the Alinghi cat the Decision 35 will be a little slower - Schmidt reckons that in 12 knots of wind, it might be 1 knot slower, making 12 knots instead of 13, but he believes that because the boat is a one design, the optimisation programs carried out by the teams will bump up the performance"

Wouter


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Re: And their stated top speed = 13 knots ! [Re: Wouter] #34256
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Much much faster off the wind, altho they are not optimised for higher winds-the VPP just showed maybe 12 knots for optimum upwind speed closehauled in 12 or 13 knots of air.


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