| Righting Bags #61465 11/22/05 04:37 PM 11/22/05 04:37 PM |
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Posts: 22 NC | Does anyone have any experience with Righting Bags, I've got an TheMightyHobie18 and curoious about where to stow a bag and how to bring it back on board
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#61466 11/22/05 05:12 PM 11/22/05 05:12 PM |
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Posts: 306 St. Louis, MO | I have stowed the bags by lashing them to the center lacing. To get the bag back on board, just pull it close to the boat, and grab it by the bottom so the water runs out.
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#61467 11/22/05 05:23 PM 11/22/05 05:23 PM |
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Posts: 22 NC | Do you stow it on top or under the tramp? Do you use a pulley system??
How do I tell if my Hobie 18, 1980 is a Magnum??
Thanks for the advice
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#61470 11/23/05 08:54 AM 11/23/05 08:54 AM |
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Posts: 306 St. Louis, MO | I usually stow it on the underside of the tramo so I can get it when the boat is capsized. I don't use any blocks to hoist it to the boat. The bag weighs very little inthe water. It only has weight when you pull it out of the water. That's why when you get it to the surface you use the grab handle on the bottom of the bag so you don't lift the water.
An TheMightyHobie18 is a Magnum if it has the smaller (6' long) welded wings and the standard TheMightyHobie18 mast (not the taller 18SX mast). I will be looking for an all aluminum SX mast (did Hobie even make those in the States?) in the spring. I will have a bit of a Frankenboat with the SX mast and the Magnum wings...
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#61472 11/23/05 09:43 AM 11/23/05 09:43 AM |
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Posts: 306 St. Louis, MO | I think you could use the righting bag as a sea anchor. If the bag is too heavy then it makes it difficult to use as a righting bag.
You bring up some very good points, Mary, about another item that could be considered as safety gear.
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#61474 11/23/05 10:54 AM 11/23/05 10:54 AM |
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Posts: 22 NC | I have learned the hard way that I can not solo right my TheMightyHobie18, or even get it righted with my female crew. I can get it righted with my male crew however.
So I have built a righting bag, holds approx 250lbs of water and I have a 4 to 1 pulley system to get it out of the water. I store it under the tramp in a tube like pouch. My righting line is stored in a tramp pocket, it also has a loop tied in it that just clears the hull after being tossed. I attach the pulley system with a carabiner to the loop in the righting line. I've got all this rigged up but have yet to try it.
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#61475 11/23/05 11:08 AM 11/23/05 11:08 AM |
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Posts: 306 St. Louis, MO | Of course you can rig a pully system to use the righting bag. I prefer to have as little complication in a system that needs to work every time. I don't want to have to mess with fouled pulleys when I am trying to quickly right my boat.
When I've used them in the past, I jsut put the line holding the bag over my shoulder, stood out like I would on a smaller cat while holding the righting line. When I stood out the bag came out of the water. Since I was wearing my PFD the padding distributed the weight of the bag.
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#61476 11/23/05 11:22 AM 11/23/05 11:22 AM |
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Lowpuller, Yes! That sounds like what I was visualizing, and 4-1 purchase should do the job for sure! I thought 2-1 would be sufficient.
But if the "righting bag" was a lightweight parachute-type material (sea anchor), it could be left attached to the righting line permanently (in a little pouch), so you could use it or not, depending upon whether you needed it.
And I am going one step further. If you need it as a sea anchor, you would leave the righting line attached where it is (base of mast or main beam)and run it through something up at the bows and deploy the sea anchor out of its pouch.
Just thinking out loud.
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#61478 11/23/05 12:37 PM 11/23/05 12:37 PM |
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Posts: 306 St. Louis, MO | I wasn't sure if the SX mast came in all aluminum. I want to put a spin or a Hooter on the boat and the comptip can't hold in the upper tang I would hae to install.
The righting pole seems to be the best solution. It falls into the category of work smarter, not harder. Why move all that extra weight around when you can just increase your moment arm.
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#61479 11/23/05 03:56 PM 11/23/05 03:56 PM |
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Posts: 22 NC | I was heading down the power pole path but got rerouted. From what I have heard, no experience, the pole works great in calm water, but is almost impossible to use in any kind of chop. I started to redesign the pole attachment point so it was rigid, for instance attached to the dolphin striker, but again several sources pointed me to the righting bag solution, so here I am.
I believe the righting bag needs to be more substainale than parachute material, I don't think the stiching could handle the weight the material is ok but would need serious reinforcing at the stitching. I made mine out of a light weight coated codura. I let you goes know if it works, I'm capsizing on Sunday, it get this a heated lake, to test everything out. The lake neveere gets below eighty, sail until your cold jump in with wet suit of course, warm up and sail some more.
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#61480 11/23/05 04:55 PM 11/23/05 04:55 PM |
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Posts: 306 St. Louis, MO | I'm not sure why the righting pole won't work in chop. But, if you already have the bag and it works for you then you have your solution.
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#61483 11/30/05 05:15 PM 11/30/05 05:15 PM |
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Posts: 22 NC | I have constructed a tube shaped bag with a velcro opening on one end, and gromments for attachment. The bag is supported below/from the trampoline beside the dolphin striker. Super easy to access with the boat on its side or from the tramp to replace the bag, after righting the boat. I attach the bag to my righting line with a carabiner into a pretied knot.
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