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Buying a Wave #66184
02/05/06 04:43 PM
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Looking to buy a leftover 2005 or 2006 wave. Does Hobie require you to purchase from a dealer in your area or may you purchase from any dealer? Is it standard for a dealer to charge shipping cost if the wave is picked up at the dealer? Is it standard for the dealer to charge for assembly? I assume there is enough margin for a dealer to move from the sug. retail, is so, what is reasonable?
Looking forward to joing the corps of wave cats!

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Re: Buying a Wave [Re: rav] #66185
02/06/06 11:58 AM
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I'm not a dealer, so I can only speak from my experience last year. The only way that I know of to buy a new Wave is through a Hobie dealer. I picked up my boat at the dealer, and therefore did not pay an additional shipping fee, nor was one charged for shipping the boat to the dealer. The Wave is very easy to assemble, so I took it home and did that myself, but there was an assembled one on the showroom floor that I could have bought for the same price. As for discounts, they seem to be tough to get, but maybe 5% to 10% would be possible for an end of season deal or last year's model. I might be interested in selling mine (2005 model) if you're close to So.Cal. E-mail me if you're interested.

Re: Buying a Wave [Re: rav] #66186
02/06/06 01:55 PM
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I have talked to several dealers. The discounted street price of new boats is around $4200. If you can find a demo, you often can get them for around $3800.

In our fleet two people just found a hotel selling two of them that were practically unused and picked them up for $2700 each.
Another friend found a cherry one for $2000 with a trailer.
It pays to look around. Used ones are just as good as new ones. In fact, with the new rudder system, I would say an older one is better.
Rick


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Re: Buying a Wave [Re: RickWhite] #66187
02/06/06 02:53 PM
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Rick, what's wrong with the new rudder system?

Jerry

Re: Buying a Wave [Re: rbj] #66188
02/06/06 05:35 PM
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1) The sheets are ahead of the tiller as the tiller arms are much shorter than older models
2) the rudders are made of plastic and they bend a lot, no longer offering daggerboard-like functions
3) The tiller arms are not toed in to allow flow across both rudders while tacking..., instead one rudder has flow and the other is stall. this makes for slower tacks
4) When you raise one rudder the tiller is really high in the air.
5) The rudder blades are flexible.

Rick


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Re: Buying a Wave [Re: RickWhite] #66189
02/06/06 10:43 PM
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Rick, is the attached pic new or old rudder system? Thanks
[Linked Image]

Re: Buying a Wave [Re: rav] #66190
02/07/06 04:13 AM
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That picture is of the old rudder system.

According to the factory, the new rudder system uses the same rudder blades, but has plastic rudder housings (castings) instead of metal ones. Also, the new rudder system has shorter tiller arms, and they are straight (no Ackerman angle).

The new system is called the EZ Loc (patent pending). http://www.hobiecat.com/support/pdfs/ezlock_wave_instructions.pdf

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Re: Buying a Wave [Re: Mary] #66191
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Thanks, Rick and Mary.

The new system sounds better for trapezing becuause you could configure a hotstick for that like Hobie's other boats BUT far inferior in many other ways. I'm sorry to hear that - sounds like a big step back in the performance of the rudders. Personally, I think the best configuration (if you want to trapeze) is the shorter arms with the more robust consturction of the older rudders. Any way to still get the old rudder parts from Hobie to accomplish that? Could H16 or Getaway rudder castings etc be used?

Jerry

Re: Buying a Wave [Re: rbj] #66192
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You can buy the components for the older rudder system, but Matt Miller says the cost of doing that might be prohibitive.

Re: Buying a Wave [Re: Mary] #66193
02/07/06 07:26 PM
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The new EZ LOC rudder system uses the same blade, so there is no change in performance or flexibility related to the blade. Sailing is virtually the same for everyone but those top racers and that would only relate to tacking. Actually, it may be faster around a course if clearing kelp or weeds is an issue. The new EZ LOC system is SUPER easy to kick up and down.

Yes, the new system does not have Ackerman (tiller arm bend), but the performance through a tack will be unnoticed to all but someone who is very aware of how an Ackerman system performed on the Wave. It still tacks better than just about any cat on the market. The reason the Ackerman was removed is related to the engineering of the kick up system. It was a considerably less important issue than what is gained by the very simple kick -down and up action of the new system.

The purpose of the Wave is primarily a recreational entry level boat. I have seen way to many people struggling to sail because they don't know how to lock rudders down. The EZ LOC fixes this better than any system ever developed. Tiller up / rudder up... Tiller down / rudder down.

By the way... the EZ LOC system is also standard on the Getaway.

One additional benefit...the cost of the boats is held down. The new system is less expensive.


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Re: Buying a Wave [Re: mmiller] #66194
02/07/06 10:18 PM
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Matt,
I see you are with Hobie. Would you happen to know about dealer policy on shipping costs?
RAV

Re: Buying a Wave [Re: rav] #66195
02/10/06 01:15 PM
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Cost of freight TO A DEALER depends on distance from the factory, then how many boats they order. There are freight incentives to order more and Hobie Cat may subsidize the freight costs. I would be quite reasonable for a dealer to pass this cost on to the consumer. They also should be passing along assembly / prep charges.

Freight cost FROM A DEALER to a consumer is not controlled in any way other than the agreement that a dealer should assemble the product. This would imply that the consumer should pick up the product at a dealer. By dealer agreement, they are not allowed to sell outside their designated territories.


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Re: Buying a Wave [Re: mmiller] #66196
02/10/06 04:00 PM
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This would imply that the consumer should pick up the product at a dealer. By dealer agreement, they are not allowed to sell outside their designated territories.


Yeah, right. Somebody comes off the street at a dealership and wants to buy a boat, right now, and the dealer asks, where do you live? If the person lives outside of his area or even in another part of the country, the dealer says, "Sorry, I can't sell you a boat"??

Re: Buying a Wave [Re: Mary] #66197
02/11/06 01:07 PM
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We are talking about shipping costs. This also related to the idea of shipping product outside their "territory". Not about customers traveling to a dealer to purchase. The biggest point about shipping to a consumer is that the product is not properly assembled and inspected by the authorized dealer. That can and does cause problems.


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Re: Buying a Wave [Re: mmiller] #66198
02/15/06 12:08 PM
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I believe I've found a 2005 classic leftover at a reasonable price. I've seen some posts regarding conversion of tramp to club. How can I be sure the boat is a 2005? Is there anything special to the install for a 2005 club tramp?

Re: Buying a Wave [Re: rav] #66199
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The boat should have trampoline tracks mounted on the hulls. We have made them all this way for several years now. The original Classis had 3 "hooks" bolted to each hull for tramp installation. The current hulls with tracks can be used either way. If we want to use as a Classic, we add 6 hooks that slide into the tracks (3 per hull).


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