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H16 Singlehanding #67512
02/20/06 10:53 PM
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I'll be singlehanding my H16 most of the summer this year and I'm wondering if you guys have some tips for me. I'm planning on investing in a power pole just in case I go over and I plan on carrying a marine radio with me at all times, not to mention actually wearing my life jacket. I also wondered about sailing the 16 uni-rigged. Without the jib, should the mast be de-raked? When sailing under main and jib I rake the mast back about as far as I can manage and not run into trouble with the mainsheet. Any other ideas that might help? My biggest concern is safety and having fun just cruising around seeing the sights. I'm not looking to set any speed records out there by myself.
Thanks,
jrg


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Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: jrg] #67513
02/20/06 11:39 PM
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Single handing a 16 is a lot of fun. There's nothing better than trapping out while single handing.

Keep the jib on. You'll learn a lot about the boat and be able to instruct new crew on what's needed to run the front end of the boat. If you do go without you should get some tips from the 14 guys. Rake back going to weather and forward for reaches.

Wearing your PFD is an excellent idea. Stuff does happen.


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Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: hobie1616] #67514
02/21/06 08:49 AM
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Bring a water bag for righting the boat.

PRACTICE using it with some other boats around you.

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Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: jrg] #67515
02/21/06 10:23 AM
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Barrie, Ontario, Canada
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90% of my sailing is single-handed, and last summer I sailed almost every day. Leave the jib on and backwind through the tacks. You will become surprisingly fast at it! I run the jib sheet through a carbineer clipped to the lacing in the middle of the tramp so it can't get away on me. I've heard of folks using separate jib sheets and clipping them to the trap bungees. I haven't tried that, but I might this summer. I use an oversized water bag with a home made 3:1 block system. It is wrapped around the dolphin striker and the last bit pushed up through the tramp lacing. Works great, simple and quick. Practice in no wind with sails up. Then you are guaranteed to be successful in even a slight breeze - the heavier the wind the easier to right! Oh yeah - have fun!!

Mac

Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: jrg] #67516
02/24/06 09:56 AM
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i weigh about 160, i can easily fly a hull in 8-10 kn with the jib on. when the wind is over about 10 kn i have more fun with the jib off. i sailed a 14 classic for a while so tacking the 16 jibless is easy. i do set up with minimum mast rake. i be very smooth and carve an arc into the wind with minimum tiller pressure while moving to the back of the tramp. i release the main and pay out extra line as the boat goes through head to wind to avoid stopping the boat. the boom should be free to move down 2-3 ft past center on the new leeward side. i move gently across to the new windward side and sheet in smoothly to get going on the new tack, then move up to the front of the tramp and trap out if needed... did i say smooth? i like the simplicity and great view from the front of the tramp while sailing uni.


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Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: dannyb9] #67517
02/24/06 02:31 PM
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not sure who well a power pole would work on a Hobie 16 - I think they are quiet long. IMHO the solo right is the better oprion if you would like to use the poile option. Patrick


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Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: yoh] #67518
02/24/06 03:41 PM
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Portland, ME
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I have heard that the power poles stick off the back of the tramp frame quite a bit. Not sure which way to go... I thought that the solo right guy gave up on selling them? Maybe a righting bag would be sufficient?

jrg


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Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: jrg] #67519
03/01/06 04:40 PM
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Montreal , QC
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I only sail single handed and, like others have said, there's nothing like trappin' out in a blow on a H16. Here's my two cents worth...
1. Foot straps are a must - one on the hull as far aft as you can, the second as far aft as possible on the side beam.
2. I use the righting bag with a 5:1 system and have had no troubles bringing up the boat in light or strong winds. I store the 5:1 on/under the front cross beam snapped to riveted snaps on each end. I throw the bag up and over the upper hull, detache bag, insert 5:1, pull up back, lean and over she comes
3. I'm usually out in a blow and thus trapped out nearly all the time. I now use separate jib sheets that are attached to my trap dog bone for easy access. My jib traveller lines are separate and travel diagonally across the trap and are bungied to the aft corner of the tramp. When trapped out, you simply bend your knees and can reach down and pickup the line to adjust your in/out jib block
4. Get yourself a nice Harken 8:1 mainsheet. If your singlehanded all the time, you're gonna need this in the long run. Nothin worse than coming in early in a blow 'cause you simply cannot sheet in the main anymore (ie too tired)
5. You MUST wear you PFD ALL THE TIME.
6. Make sure you have slight weather helm. If you fall out alone, and are not tethered to the boat (another consideration), you're screwed.
7. You'll need to depower your main with any significant breeze - downhaul to the max when it's blowing

Screaming across the lake in my H16, beam reach, standing on the stern, 15-20 knts, ahhhhh, there's nothin' like it!!!!

PS On "BIG BLOW" days, I wear a wake board-type helmut just to add another level of safety - protection from outta control boom or extra protection if you plant a hull at speed.

Good luck man.

Ron


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Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: CatRon] #67520
03/01/06 06:36 PM
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Hey Ron - what are you using for foot straps and how did you attach them to the hull?

Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: Mac05] #67521
03/01/06 09:16 PM
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Footstraps are simple rope inside clear plastic tubing. On aft hull, I simply drilled holes through outer lip of the hull, threaded rope through and tied a knot. You have to pull tight on the rope when doing the second to make sure, when you're done, you don't have a foot strap with more rope than tubing.
On the side beams, I riveted two eye-straps (one for each end of the foot strap) and again simply threaded it through and tied a knot. I have a total of four on each side - one aft on hull and three on side beam.
In medium to strong winds I must say the foot straps are a MUST with the H16. Completely different feel - you're more "attached" to the boat and much more able to ride through ups/downs and stops/starts.
I've had no problem with this simple design as outlined in the Hobie catalogue. Serve well as lifing handles when lugging 'er up the beach as well!

Hey, is there a better cat that you can sail single handed in a blow with waves up to your armpits than a H16? With the mast raked waaaaaaay back, you can beam scream with the jib and main travelled out, holding onto the main sheet for dear life and just hold on!

Another MUST is the under-the-tramp criss-cross bungie for your traps to allow you virtually unrestricted fore and aft movement when trapped out. First year I sailed the H16, I had a bungie for each trap that tore/frayed at least twice a year. After rigging my own under-da-tramp criss-cross (like shows in catalogue) I've been 3 or 4 years with the same rigging!! Easy to do yourself and cheaper than buying. A must!!!

Cheers
Ron


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Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: CatRon] #67522
03/02/06 12:56 AM
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couple questions for you catron, 1.) how does criss crossing the bungies under the tramp for the traps keep them from fraying and tearing? 2.)isnt using footstraps while trapping a little dangerous? like couldnt you flip and break a foot or something?

Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: newbiesailor] #67523
03/02/06 07:15 AM
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Criss-Cross - if you look at the Hobie catelogue, the bungie holding the front port-side trap wire travels under the tramp to the other side, arond a pulley, back to the port side, arond another pulley and then to the starboard side to attach to the aft trap wire. And visa versa for the other two. This long pullied bungie allows for more movement and less wear. For exmaple, if you have it simply attached to the midline of the H16, your trap bungie would be 4 or 5 feet long. With the criss-cross, the bungie is probably 20 feet long!!! The most noticable advantage of this method is the near complete absence of bungie-pull when moving fore or aft when trapped out.
Foot straps - I've never had a problem but your point is well taken. The straps are NOT made tight and I've never had any instance of being unable to release my feet.
Cheers

Ron


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Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: newbiesailor] #67524
03/02/06 07:18 AM
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Addendum - imagine your short bungie of 5 feet attached to your H16 midline and you stuff a bow and go flying. You travel MUCH more than the bungie can stretch = tear, wear, need for frequent replacement. With criss-cross - with 20 feet of bungie, you go for coffee at Tim Horton's and come back without feeling tethered.
Cheers
Ron


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Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: CatRon] #67525
03/02/06 07:28 AM
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Hey Ron -

is there a chance you could describe the straps locations in more detail? Perhaps even post a photo?

Last year, I water-dragged the crew a couple times after she'd lost her footing in the waves. Straps should have helped here, even though we weren't single-handing.

Thank you for your previous posts. I appreciate it when someone knows his stuff, and shares it.

Best regards,

H77

Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: h77] #67526
03/02/06 09:08 AM
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H77, will attach photo later today and will scribble something on paper for you too.
Ron


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Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: CatRon] #67527
03/02/06 01:11 PM
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should i still cross the bungies even though my boat has no pulley system you speack of? its an old boat

Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: newbiesailor] #67528
03/02/06 02:58 PM
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Absolutely, your boat doesn't come with this stuff, you have to make it.
The criss-cross is easy to make yourself. I'm at work but will draw you a quick illustration tonight on what you need and how to make it (along with strap photos)
Ron


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Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: jrg] #67529
03/03/06 12:37 PM
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one bungee run from one trap wire under the tramp to the trap wire on the other side is 10' plus of bungee, i've never felt restricted with this simplest of systems.


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Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: dannyb9] #67530
03/03/06 02:52 PM
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one bungee run from one trap wire under the tramp to the trap wire on the other side is 10' plus of bungee, i've never felt restricted with this simplest of systems.
Me either. It's a simple system that doesn't require additional parts that add weight.


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Re: H16 Singlehanding [Re: hobie1616] #67531
03/03/06 04:00 PM
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I agree the simple stock system is fine. I have been using it for 20 years and never thought of any need to improve it. There is a more noticeable restriction from the tension on the wire pulling me forward when I have moved back as far as I can go.

Howard

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