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Second hand Taipan F16 on offer, great deal. #68405
03/04/06 07:44 AM
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Mr. Kirby Haws is selling his Taipan F16. His ads is in the Classifieds section of www.catsailor.com

The describtion is :

Taipan/F-16 -- 1994 #032.
Excellent condition.
New Harken 8:1 main block and sheet.
Recent tramp.
2 mains,
2 jibs,
spinnaker with snuffer,
trailer + box
beach wheels.
Seller motivated.
Daytona. 386-235-4911 (florida)

Mr. Haws is upgrading to a 38ft cruising cat.

This boat was previously owned by Micheal Coffman who won the Round the Island race with it. Alot of the stuff, like an F16 mainsail, F16 jib, F16 spinnaker/snuffer were bought by him in 2002 an 2003, so quite new. The jib is an aftermarket non-overlapping Goodall jib. It is sheeted of blocks fitted directly to the mainbeam. It is not selftacking but there is also no jib sheet on the trampoline that typically is in the way of the crew on standard Taipan 4.9's. I seem to remember that the spinnaker is a Smyth spinnaker. By all means it is a Taipan F16 over a Taipan 4.9. The other set of sails are the standard OD Taipan 4.9 sails.

I personally think this boat to be an attractive buy when looking at the state it is in compared to the expected selling price. In addition this boat will be an attractive buy by the Blade homebuilders in the USA. You won't be able to buy the required (shared) hardware for the same price when new. As far as I can tell the mast, mainsails, spinnaker setup, rudders + rudder stocks, boards, all blocks and fittings can be directly used on a homebuild Blade F16. If you want to safe money on homebuilding then this deal is the ticket for it.

Here are some pictures of the boat when Micheal was making the upgrades :

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See here the modified jib setup. A new jib was bought for this setup.

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Here Spellbound (The boat on offer) being raced at the JPOR regatta in 2003 by Micheal Coffman.

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Wouter



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Is there a price estimate in there somewhere? And how much narrower is the 4.9 than the F16 platform? Thanks.


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Is there a price estimate in there somewhere?



No number was given but I think the describtion "Seller motivated" is a sort of price indication.

I would guess that the seller just wants a reasonable amount for it, after maybe some negociation. I don't expect him to overcharge. "Seller motivated" always suggests to me that the seller doesn't want to hang on to the boat too long even if that means that waiting could up the price noticeably. In effect quoting a price up front would probably mean scaring buyers away if the price is not just right and that is not smart when you want to move the boat at the best possible price in a relatively short time frame.

These setups always lead to attractive deals in my opinion; you just have to take care not to offend the seller by quoting an insultingly low price. The negociation can be tricky, but if you keep playing it nice then a good deal is always to be had. Pretty much you have the sale when your quote is not unreasonable and when no higher bidding customer presents itself within the set timeframe. Several Taipans have changed hands that way recently. Most because they had committed to buying a Blade.

Give it a shot.


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And how much narrower is the 4.9 than the F16 platform?



Taipan 4.9 = 2.34 mtr wide
F16 = 2.50 mtr wide

So difference is 0.16 = about 6 inches.

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Re: Second hand Taipan F16 on offer, great deal. [Re: Wouter] #68410
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I've sailed #032 a few years ago--very solid boat and I'm sure it will be a fabulous value to whoever buys it. I know the newer sails have seen very, very little use.

Wouter--don't suggest the boat be cannibalized though; it's in solid shape. If I were to buy it I'd leave it as is and just sail/race it. If the buyer were hung up about 6 inches of width--I'm wounldn't be--then they would be better off installing new beams and tramp to "optimize" it rather than dismantling an otherwise perfectly solid F16.

As far as the age of the boat goes, Taipans are known to NOT show there age thanks to the workmanship of AHPC. Every year the Australia Taipan championships see older hull #s placing very high. For years, I think 003 has been winning the cat-rigged division.

Great to see a solid 2nd hand F16 available, and for my own self-serving reasons I'd love to see it driven our West.


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Re: Second hand Taipan F16 on offer, great deal. [Re: ejpoulsen] #68411
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Eric-
Actually, as I remember Michael's boat it is a "timber" (wooden) boat he imported himself from Australia. It was originally sailed there as a cat rig boat- I bought the cat rig mast that came with the boat so Michael could get a new sloop rig Superwing. So that is all new and AHPC replaced a bunch of stuff for him before shipping it over, not sure if the beams were one of the things replaced (ie not sure it's 4.9 or F16 width). It was a very nice boat last I saw it- I do believe it's the only one in the US with the original 4.9 daggerboards (broader and thinner than the current boards).

Kirt


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Re: Second hand Taipan F16 on offer, great deal. [Re: CaptainKirt] #68412
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Kirt,
I thought it was a glass boat with with original contruction method with seams hidden by the pinstripe. I do know that it is standard width for the 4.9. The F16 modifications are all in the sail plan, as far as I know.


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Dear interested sailors,

After years of having no secondhand boat market in the USA we suddenly see several boats being put on offer. Sailors are upgrading the newer F16's and some are upgrading to larger cruising boats. However, the reasons are that important. Far more important is the fact that we can now offer a choice of second hand F16 boats to US sailors. A boat is available for each budget size.

The boats given here are all listed on the classified adds page of www.catsailor.com; otherwise I can't and won't name them in this post.

Lets look at the listing, going from new/expensive to older/less expensive :



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[color:"black"] 2003 Taipan 4.9 / F16 [/color] -- main, jib, spin and snuffer; righting pole, aluminum trailer, sailbox,
beach wheels; $8,000. Florida e-mail: jcaffee@adelphia.net (florida)(Apr)



Hollis Caffee's boat, see picture. This Taipan is quite young, it was build in 2003, so is only 3 years old at the maximum. It comes with trailer, trailer box, beach wheels and full F16 spinnaker setup for only US$ 8000,-. I can honestly say that this is the best deal of the whole listing. If you want to get into F16 sailing but not spend 13.000 US$ for a new Blade then this boat should be seriously considered.


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[color:"black"] Stealth F16 [/color] 2002 -- Carbon Mast, TFoil rudders, Silver Hulls, Smoke main/jib, black spinnaker,
$7000.00 email: marktalla@cox.net 949 533 5104 (california) (Apr)



This boat is in California and it is Mark Talla's. Carbon mast and CARBON T-foil rudders ! I refer to other recent posts. The T-foils work and the carbon mast needs not further write-up. See picture. Note also the carbon daggerboards and the very exclusive moon-silver colour of the hulls.


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[color:"black"] Taipan 4.9 F16 [/color] -- (about 1999; Wouter)Sailed very few times, excellent shape & won the F16 Nationals. Comes with two
mains (one for sloop rig, one for unirig), spinnaker and Hooter, Excellent rudder system compared to stock,
Lightweight Kevlar built, Carbon PowerRighter Pole, wing mast. No trailer. $9900. Rick 305-451-3287,



Rick Whites boat. Sadly I don't have a good picture of that boat.


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[color:"black"] Taipan/F-16 [/color] -- 1994 #032. Excellent condition.New Harken 8:1 main block and sheet. Recent tramp.
2 mains, 2jibs,spinnaker with snuffer,trailer,box,beach wheels.Seller motivated.Daytona. 386-235-4911 (florida)(Jan)



This is Kirby Haws boat, see picture. A good deal if you ask me, alot of boat for an expected final price that is very attractive.


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It is also rumoured that Matt MacDonald will put the demo Blade F16 (2005) up for sale. This is his own boat and the one used in all the 2005 Florida races with Matt/Gina ending up as second in the Harken distance race series. Not much more info is available at this time, but I'm sure that it will be soon.


Wouter

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bump.


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Wouter,

You know you don't have to keep adding pictures as a new post?

All you do is EDIT your original post and attach the new picture file each time without deleting the old attachment (this is an option at the submit stage).

So, you submit your original post with picture attached.

You Edit your post and paste the first image address into the placeholder. You submit this edited post AND attach the next picture at the same time.

View your post, click on the new attachment, copy the address, go back and edit your post etc.

Got the idea?

It's much neater and means that we don't end up with loads of posts that have just a comma or full stop in them


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That Stealth looks awesome. Why do these things come up for sale when I`m TOTALLY BROKE ????
How much would freight to S. Africa cost, that price is better than I can get a descent used Hobie 16.

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That Stealth looks awesome. Why do these things come up for sale when I`m TOTALLY BROKE ????
How much would freight to S. Africa cost, that price is better than I can get a descent used Hobie 16.
Sounds like another scammer!

"I am interested in purchasing your boat, but I need it shipped to South Africa, my shipping company will schedule a pickup time and date"

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Why do these things come up for sale when I`m TOTALLY BROKE ????


Amen


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No, Robi, it`s an honest scammer ...
"I am interested in purchasing your boat, but I need it shipped to South Africa, my shipping company will schedule a pickup time and date".. and I CAN`T PAY FOR IT !!!

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I am in the process of gathering information on various f16s with the intent of purchasing one later this summer (and no, I don't own a shipping company that I will use to ship your boat overseas, nor am I the crowned prince of some country who needs your help to get my 50 million out a bank in the USA) . I have, however, saved up a bit of money that I will use to buy a used catamaran (need to save a bit more but then I get the boat).

Eric, Kirt, Matt M (Gina), and Wouter have been incredibly helpful in describing the attributes of the various f16s. This is a great group of people who are willing to take their time to discuss these boats with a person they have not met (says a lot about this F16 class).

What I need now is some information on the used boats in FL. Unfortunately, some boat owners have an inflated opinion of the condition of their boat when they try and sell it. Can anyone tell me the condition of the various f16s for sale in FL? I have seen Rick’s boat while in Key Largo but the rest I have only seen pictures. I was curious what sort of shape Hollis’ boat and trailer and in. That seems to be an attractive price for that package. You can PM me if you like.

Finally, the quality of the AHPC workmanship is legendary. Can anyone give me his or her opinion of the Blade versus the Taipan (quality of workmanship)? I like stuff that holds up season after season.

I plan on sailing the Blade this summer as our family is taking a trip to Titusville to meet up with Gina and Matt. Seem like great people! I hope to get on a Taipan as well.

Cheers
Bob
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Kirt,
I thought it was a glass boat with with original contruction method with seams hidden by the pinstripe. I do know that it is standard width for the 4.9. The F16 modifications are all in the sail plan, as far as I know.


Actually, glass and kevlar (I think).
Unless anybody's put a hole in it, please don't cannibalize it - the boat was competetive. Better to buy a new boat and keep Spellbound in competition - the more boats the better. I had no issues the last time I sailed it (right after I got the new main).



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