Now befoe you go bashing the boat I'd like to hear from people who have ACTUALLY SAILED THE BOAT. Not sailed against it, not sailed neared it, not heard through the grapevine....



If you have SAILED THE BOAT please let me know what you think the max crew weight it in choppy seas and a beam reach or upwind in 9-14 knots of wind....



Thank you in advance for your reply.



Mark Michaelsen

Hello Mark



I' can only speek for the Ventilo HT18.

When sailing for fun, you can easy sail with 3 People (220kg) without getting overloaded. I have done this at several ocassiones in higher and low winds. In low winds, it will slow you down...

I have sailed the boat (Jav 2) on three occasions with W.F. in three different conditions. Guessing W.F.'s weight at 180 and adding my 185 lbs, we weight about 365lbs combined. First we sailed in light air (6-8 kts) and I found the boat move well but had nothing to compare it to. The hulls cut thru the light chop and moved well out of tacks and gybes.



A week later we sailed again in 20+ kts and the boat was great. Total control and blazing. The wave piercing hulls handled the steep 2-3ft chop with ease. On the next day, we sailed in 10 kts and had an I-20 to duel with. The I-20 could not match us in any point of sail. The Jav 2 revels in this wind spead range.

Hi Feg



the 18 ht looks like a good cat , imagine it is very similar to an A class cat in characteristics of sailing ,just add 126 lbs a crew and 20 sq mtr shute,- looking forward to trying one .



Should be carefull about making claims over other boats , any good skipper can sail by a mediocre one on any similar boat .--When these boat claims of superiority are found to be unproven or disproved on the race course by equal skippers on each type ,-then your , and your boats credability suffer.



-The problem I see with the 18 ht design beyong current rudders is the high mast hgt and center of effort on the sailplan combined with additional weight and crew mentioned and forces on the spin., though less sq ft in sail plan the 18ht with its much shorter length and narrow bows without much volume to keep them from doing exactly what is pictured in Marks i d pic , a violent pitchpole in larger waves and higher wind conditions , I,m very concerned that it will suffer numerous breakdowns and have more potential crew injuries--Ask any that sailed the last two legs of the Worrell 1000 this year what they honestly think will happen with this boat 18ht ,in those conditions ,-it is not going to be pretty ,--If the 18ht has numerous breakdowns ,violent pitchpoles and the majority of charter sailors can not finish the race it may be the worst thing possible for the boat and class.



This boat really needs to be sailed extensively in ocean type conditions before catsailors set out 1000 miles on it . I hope I am wrong in my opinion , have any sailed this in similar Worrell ,Hatteras leg type conditions . ?



thanks , again hope to sail one soon.

and hope I,m wrong

Carl

Carl,



I am sorry if I accidently struck a wrong note with you. I have heard good things about you and was surprised by your comments. I simply answer Mark's question to the best of my knowledge.



I did not say that the Jav 2 was faster than anyparticular type or brand of boat! I simply stated that that I-20, on that day, in those conditions, was no match for W.F. and myself on the Jav 2. I went out of my way to state that there were no other boats around to compare with on the other two days.



You are very hypocritical in stating that the boat will pitchpole violently and break parts, without ANY experience on the boat. I have sailed it for about 8 hrs, how many hours have you logged on it? As for how it does in the ocean, I can only say that in 20 kts and 2-3ft chop on top of 5 ft swells it was easy to handle and showed NO tendency to pitchpole. I can not say this for the I-20 that pitchpoled twice last Sunday in similar conditions, while I watched from my fishing boat. I know that these conditions are tame compared to those often found in the W-1000. Only time will tell for sure if the boat handles the W-1000 conditions well. From the photos and accounts that I have heard the I-20 had its share of capsizes, pitchpoles and breakages over the past three years, did they not?





Peace and fair sailing.

I have not sailed the Javelin 2 or any other F18HT, however I have sailed the I-20. I have also spoken to several I-20 sailors about the Worrell 1000. What I have determined is that no boat will get all the sailors through the W-1000 unscaved,



I have studied the Javelin 2 hull shape and rig. The wave-piercing hull shape dicates that the major bouyancy of the hull be found near the main beam and that the bows be less bouyant than what most cat sailors are use to. The bows 'knife" through the water and as bouyance increase aft the boat rises "through" the wave. The rig is easily depowered like that of an A-Cat and rules do not preclude reefing as they do on the i-20.



This theory has been tested on numerous other designs such as A-Cats, the Hobie Fox, and most importantly 20-60 ft fast ferries in the Caribbean Seas. I have watched these ferries travelling THROUGH major waves, when the conventional ferries had to stay in port. The hulls are shaped very similarly to the Javelin 2s.



I beleive in this type of design and think that it will do as well or better than more conventional hull shapes have in the W-1000. When this hull shape, and lighter boat weight, is combined with the fact that reef points and smaller sails are allowed in the Javelin 2 rules, I think that the Javelin 2 will be SAFER than previous boats.



My $0.02 worth.

Now that is the kind of reply I was looking for!



Thank you for taking the time to write.



Mark A. Michaelsen ~MM~

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