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Rogue Waves #90555
11/26/06 12:34 AM
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The last few weeks have seen the release of scientific papers on "rogue waves". These papers suggest that rogue waves are a lot more common than previously thought.

Has anyone actually experienced a rogue wave?

(The closest I've come on my little lake is when the speed boaters turn tight circles, and create big composite waves. Hey, spilling a beer is catastrophic in my book!)


Jeff Peterson
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Re: Rogue Waves [Re: Jeff Peterson] #90556
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I encountered one. My lock on my sailboat, a Prindle 16, rusted and I had to cut it off. Before I had a chance to replace it, a group of kids had pushed the boat out in the ocean. The coast guard found it about 20 miles North in the gulf stream and towed it to the Jupiter lighthouse. One of my friends saw it and called me.

Two of us packed up the sails, radio/cd player and cooler and set off to retrieve the boat. We made it about half way home before the sun set and the wind died. We stopped near the Juno Pier and reloaded the cooler and picked up some sandwiches at a gas station. About 3am we finally floated home and turned the boat toward the beach. About 40 yards out, I heard this noise behind us and before I knew it we were surfing this six footer in to the shore. It was a bear trying not to capsize. There was still no wind and we already had our weight balanced. We ended up using the jib to help steer the boat.

The wave was not huge by any means but the seas had been flat the entire day/night.


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Re: Rogue Waves [Re: cyberspeed] #90557
11/27/06 04:01 AM
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Big ship wake.

Re: Rogue Waves [Re: warbird] #90558
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I would like a better definition of a rogue wave. I have encountered what would probally be a rogue wave when in the coast guard. a few hundred miles offshore. with no ship traffic within 50 miles. In my definition what most people call a rougue wave. is usally a refracted swell off some sort of point or shore line. when the wave hits a point and bounces it is now going againt the normal swell patteren and when these collide this exagerates the swell. Is this a rogue wave or just a confused sea. does anybody know the proper definition?

Re: Rogue Waves [Re: avalondarlyn] #90559
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Rouge wave..... Looks more imresive on video. A wave travelling at a different angle colides with the regular waves.

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A couple of weeks ago there was a big storm with 60kt+ winds and one of the offshore measurement bouys register a 65ft wave over the Northsea. It looked as though the measurement was correct, but to be sure they took the bouy out to check whether the sensors where working properly.

(65ft, that the equivalent of 6 storey building!)

Re: Rogue Waves [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #90561
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My question would be "Who was out there taking the picture with the wave here"

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Re: Rogue Waves [Re: Clayton] #90562
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I've surfed most of my life all over Australia and various other countries and rogue waves, sneekers in surf lingo, are often encountered. Of all the places Margaret River on the Aus. sth/west coast is possibly to most imfamous in this regard. Seen some big buggers there, some close up.

On the hand, while sailing/racing last Satdy on Sydney Harbour I encountered a set of three monsters [for the harbour] which were possibly 4ft/6ft and very close together. Caught me by the bows and the ensueing series of nose dives caused my spi pole to bend when the sock filled with water. I had just turned for the run/reach home of a marathon and could only use the kite running square. Bugger.

Re: Rogue Waves [Re: Berny] #90563
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awsome picture. thx for the definition. sorta like bodysurfing the wedge

Re: Rogue Waves [Re: avalondarlyn] #90564
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How do you define a ‘rogue wave’ ?

“There’s no clear definition of what a rogue is,” says Paul C. Liu, an oceanographer with the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration in Ann Arbor, Mich.
Scientists don’t have many detailed shipboard measurements of rogue waves because they tend to appear without warning, and bobbing ships make poor observation platforms.
A wave typically achieves rogue status not by growing to a certain minimum size but by exceeding the surrounding waves by a certain proportion. The basis for comparison is an oceanographic parameter called significant wave height, which researchers typically calculate by taking the average of the tallest one-third of the waves in a particular patch of ocean. Many scientists define a wave as a rogue if it’s 2.2 times as tall as the significant wave height. (Science News 11/18/06, p. 328).


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thanks jeff. so by that defination a confused sea of wave/swells of equal size would not be considered a rogue wave. example being the picture above not being a rogue wave. and beny's example of and outsider/sneeker would/could be. question then in a confused sea when the sea's collide and the insuing wave jacks up upon collision. can you measure that? or is that just a by product. the reason i ask these stupid questions. I've had many beer/driven arguments/friendly discussions on this. and I've been told i'm flat wrong. but Jeff's definition is what i thought a rogue wave was. "there's no clear definition of what a rogue wave is" "dude it was triple overhead" "boy, you shoulda been here yesterday"

Re: Rogue Waves [Re: avalondarlyn] #90566
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Also the true rogue waves tend to occur in the pacific with greater frequency. I think it has something to do with the gulf stream thats limits their formation in the atlantic. Sometimes strong cross currents can create the type of confused seas shown in that pic. Wind created surface current moving in opposition to the prevailing ocean current.

Re: Rogue Waves [Re: WindyHillF20] #90567
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The 1998 Sydney to Hobart race was decimated by large seas and strong winds, killing 6 competitors and leaving many injured and / or drifting at sea inside and outside of life rafts. 55 people rescued from sailboats, 5 boats sank and 66 boats retired out of the 115 starters when multiple storms merged and hurricane force wind and waves descended on the fleet. Conditions reported by the sailors and rescue crews during the hight of the storm were 90 knot winds and 30 meter (100 foot) waves.

These conditions are not uncommon in Bass Strait.

Below is a great link to stories and pics of monster waves.
http://dode777.jeeran.com/announcement_page1.html

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Re: Rogue Waves [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #90569
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Hers a few good movies in big seas... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxvP3DWi7_k

Remember that scene from the movie Jaws when Brody said, "You're gonna need a bigger boat." They're gonna need a bigger boat.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsY87ykIBiY

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I found this pic posted a while back and it seemed apprpriate for this topic.
I'll let the judges out there decide if its real or not. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Bandit:

That one has been doctored. They were bad at the Worrell race. But NOT that bad.

Doug

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Re: Rogue Waves [Re: ] #90572
12/02/06 11:56 AM
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Wow, is that the new sail power submarine?


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Re: Rogue Waves [Re: WindyHillF20] #90573
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Old multihull history - Phil Weld, sailing the Dick Newick designed Gulfstreamer was capsized by a rogue wave in - you guessed it, the Gulf stream. Lived in the updturned boat until rescued. Newick also created his replacement boat - named Rogue Wave...

It was sometime over the last year or so that a cruise liner was hit by a rogue wave off the east coast of the US - lots of broken windows in suites and some other damage if I remember right.

Re: Rogue Waves [Re: Bandit] #90574
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I found this pic posted a while back and it seemed apprpriate for this topic.
I'll let the judges out there decide if its real or not. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Awwww c'mon. We even know that Dan Delave did that piece of work.


Jake Kohl
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