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Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Quiet1] #97222
01/26/07 12:48 AM
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Vladimir,
Here's a great 5 min. movie of the Sukhoi SU-30


Nice one. I've never seen one close by. I've spent most of the time under MIG-21 - we were training facility. Good thing that we have unlimited supply of ethanol from defroster system. (Vodka is 40% ethanol and 60% water)

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Re: This is flying!!! [Re: JeffS] #97223
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And what accent might you and Wouter be speaking if the Americans didn't pop into WW2 against popular opinion again ?


Well, I'd speak my native language - Russian, and a little English I've been taught in high school, nothing changes for me. Wouter, probably, would know Russian too, besides his excellent English, which is a good thing; an extra language helps to see a bigger picture.

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I lost family in WW2 because the European countries let each other get rolled one by one instead of working as one community.

I lost long list of relatives because my native country didn’t allow to get rolled, and soldiers of that country put red flag on top of Reichstag in may 1945. I remember my granddad's war stories about french air brigades, fighting as part of Red army. So, I really don’t see how Americans popping up into war after 6 years of fighting could change outcome of war. It definitely changed outcome of peace after war, but it’s another story, right?
And yeah, lendlease was a good thing, best Russian pilots were rewarded with American airplanes
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/ColJDLanders/RuskieP47.jpg
Canned meat wasn’t that good, though

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Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Vladimir] #97224
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Please, name a single war won by US Forces. Please, don't mention WW2.

Cold War, isn't so, Vladimir?
And, IMHO, you uderestimate lend-lease influence on our war efforts. Especially in trucks, explosives, industrial equpment.

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Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Redtwin] #97225
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You can make a brick fly if you strap enough rockets to it.


Where did you learn that phrase?


I think it is all over the world aviation phrase. In Russia it sounds something like this: "With good engine even fence can fly"

Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Nail_S] #97226
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Well, Nail <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> People, who leaved in US long enough, may remember that Cold War was fought on two fronts. One was against Soviet Union. Another one was against China.
Soviet Union lost. China changed tactic. People with short memories probably still remember that war isn’t over when president declared that mission accomplished.
I read on some foreign news channel, that China shot a satellite with missile recently.
Should I talk about deficit, treasures and rest of the crap here? Enough.

How’s your Nacra F18 doing? You should put it on skates and do some “Moscow’s sea cruising” <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Vladimir] #97227
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How’s your Nacra F18 doing? You should put it on skates and do some “Moscow’s sea cruising” <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

P-f-f-f-f-f... Some bastards have stolen my Nacra tramp & spi (not so easy to find in Moscow) and Ivan's crossbeams. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
So my only hope is to join kite-surfers or DN-riders. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Redtwin] #97228
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... that fact is that we have the best Air Force ... it's the nut with the stick in his hand.



That would be the Israelis. Sorry mate.

At least they succesfully pulled off raids like Entebbe and Osirak.

You guys still have a few plane wrecks in the Iranian Great Salt Desert several hundred miles short of their intended destination.

Would that answer :

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So Wout, let history speak for itself.


You are the airforce that THINKS they are the best and as a result you %#*@-up sometimes. As in Korea and such

Don't get me wrong, your airforce and planes are alright but just not the best. The biggest problem with US units always is that they think that they are invisible and that the other side is nothing more then dumb unwashed thugs. The only generation of US service men that knew better were the WW2 generation, but then they didn't have the luxury of believing stupid things.

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Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Vladimir] #97229
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<****-up for Israel and USA like Libanon or Iraq and we can see Russia increase influence again in the middle-east, which happens to be the vital resource region for the whole western world.

The cold war maybe over but there is no winner yet.

Wouter


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Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Wouter] #97230
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This thread about flying, is just like this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4tcxfFuSIk

Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Vladimir] #97231
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Well Vladimir,

It isn't nice to respond to ignorance with more ignorance.

The Americans won their wars against the Mexicans and gained alot of terrory that way and they won the Spanish-American war again winning alot of land and resources.

The WW2 Pacific battle against the Japanese was indeed largely a US effort and so would qualify as an US victory. The European WW2 theater was indeed significantly different in the fact that the Russians actually won that war and not the Western allies. So we can't really coin that as a US victory as you also suggest.

War of 1812 was a stalemate I believe against the Canadians and Brits, but I would need to check that.

All the other victories by the US army were all against much much much weaker enemies (like Grenada, Panama) and while technically qualifying as victories are better not regarded that way. As soon as the enemy was just a little more then a push over the US forces struggled, examples Cuba (stalemate), Korea (stalemate) and Vietnam (loss)

So indeed the US did win a couple of their wars. No need to pretend otherwise.

Wouter


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Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #97232
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<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I believe I was consistent. I tried to have at least one reference to aircrafts or air forces in my posts. Frikkin’ winter....

Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #97233
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Rolf,
I wish I hadn't seen that video, because I already had a mistrust of airplanes. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Kinda makes me worry about boat designers, too.

Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Wouter] #97234
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Well Vladimir,

It isn't nice to respond to ignorance with more ignorance.

The WW2 Pacific battle against the Japanese was indeed largely a US effort and so would qualify as an US victory.
Wouter


Yeah, atomic bombing of Japanise city two days prior to Russian invasion of Japan, announced 9 months before at Yalta conference.

Anybody know what happened to the pilots of the bomber? I've heard, they didn’t do well mentally after.
(Just trying to stay in the tread)

Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Mary] #97235
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I wish I hadn't seen that video, because I already had a mistrust of airplanes. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Usually the pilot is most dangerous part of aircraft. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Nail_S] #97236
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Usually the pilot is most dangerous part of aircraft.


Yeah, but the ones in the video did not have any pilots. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Vladimir] #97237
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Yeah, atomic bombing of Japanise city two days prior to Russian invasion of Japan, announced 9 months before at Yalta conference.

Anybody know what happened to the pilots of the bomber? I've heard, they didn’t do well mentally after.
(Just trying to stay in the tread)


I had a college roommate whose father was the navigator on one of the planes that may have dropped the bomb. He said they did not tell the airmen which plane had the bomb. Contrary to the movie he said, all the airmen decided to leave this world, shortly thereafter including his dad.

Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Vladimir] #97238
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Vladimir you missed my point your country lost millions starved shot etc but if you had all got together as a continent at the start you could have fixed it easily.


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Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #97239
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It's starting to feel like the Sailing Anarchy forums over here.


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Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Jake] #97240
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Suprised it took me this long. I've had enough of his drivel. While I take nothing away from the Russians who lost a whole generation during WW2, the notion that the battles of Normandy, Anzio, and the Bulge do not warrant the US and its Western Allies a victory is purely offensive, and historically incorrect.

I've got a grandfather that will show you his battallion picture before they shipped out to Northern Africa. He'll then count on one hand, then number of them that made it to Germany. Then he'll show you his arm, that was nearly burned off by a phosphorous grenade. And maybe, if he really really likes you, he'll show you a picture of his ammo boy, who had his head blown off while charging a AA emplacement and whose body continued to run, headless, for 50 feet before falling to the ground.

As for our Airforce. Take a look at the first night of the first Gulf War.

Re: This is flying!!! [Re: Jake] #97241
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Yeah...so now that it's been demonstrated why we have so many wars, back to the guy with the jet-powered wing strapped to his back...

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